Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This was JT O'Sullivan's final QB rankings from last year, just for comparison:

1. Tua.

2. Burrow

3. Fromm

4. Jordan Love

5. Nate Stanley

6. Anthony Gordon

7. Jalen Hurts

8. Justin Herbert

9. Jacob Eason

10. Steven Montez

Wow thats pretty bad... I mean I wasn't the biggest herbert fan but even I have him way above fromm, Stanley, and Gordon.

I think JT is guilty of the same thing I think many here are. Just taking far too much from college performance.

Film is just part of the analysis, to be fair to him, and us two of the more important pieces of the puzzle (character and medicals) we aren't privvy to so have to rely on rumours.

However if you can't look at what you see on a Saturday, and project it to a Sunday you just have no shot.

Landing spot also matters so much (both in college and the NFL), that unless you're proclaiming a bust who becomes a HOF, or Vice versa, it's pretty hard to tell how good your evaluation was.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This was JT O'Sullivan's final QB rankings from last year, just for comparison:

1. Tua.

2. Burrow

3. Fromm

4. Jordan Love

5. Nate Stanley

6. Anthony Gordon

7. Jalen Hurts

8. Justin Herbert

9. Jacob Eason

10. Steven Montez

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And yeah this was a pretty damn grown ass man kind of throw here. More of this please.

Mac Jones deserves more recognition pic.twitter.com/vFBWwZZ2Pf

— Unnecessary Roughness (@UnnecRoughness) November 22, 2020

That was pretty sick

agreed

On that play he misses a wide open guy despite looking right at him. Red Flag.

Originally posted by Jcool:
On that play he misses a wide open guy despite looking right at him. Red Flag.

Kentucky is playing zone, and there's a CB soft squatting on the route with his eyes on Mac. That's a good decision not to go there.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Jcool:
On that play he misses a wide open guy despite looking right at him. Red Flag.

Kentucky is playing zone, and there's a CB soft squatting on the route with his eyes on Mac. That's a good decision not to go there.

What the hell is that pass rush doing? It's like they all rushed into the A gaps.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Jcool:
On that play he misses a wide open guy despite looking right at him. Red Flag.

Kentucky is playing zone, and there's a CB soft squatting on the route with his eyes on Mac. That's a good decision not to go there.

Originally posted by thl408:
What the hell is that pass rush doing? It's like they all rushed into the A gaps.

LOL I don't know. They rush 3 and the stack LB comes in late and tries to force his way into the A gap as well.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Jcool:
On that play he misses a wide open guy despite looking right at him. Red Flag.

Kentucky is playing zone, and there's a CB soft squatting on the route with his eyes on Mac. That's a good decision not to go there.

Yeah that is not what happened. If he threw that it is a first down.

So one play is a red flag? Wonder if I'd see any red flags from looking at Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance's interceptions?

Greg Cosell interview with The Athletic (April 7):

Many media members seem convinced that the 49ers will pick Mac Jones, and that topic has become a lightning rod amongst the 49ers' fan base on social media (Fields and Lance seem much more popular in those circles). So, let's start with Jones. We know he's a pocket passer, but — given the film — where exactly would Jones fall into that larger philosophical question?

GC: I don't think he would fit the advanced mold or profile if you're talking about the ability to make plays off script. Mac Jones is not a particularly good athlete. He's certainly not a higher level athlete. There's certainly no twitch to his movement.

Now, having said that, does that mean that he can't move at all? No. But he's not that kind of player. Mac Jones is not the kind of quarterback that, if it's third-and-nine and the defense wins the down tactically and gets quick pressure that demands that the quarterback has to move with some kind of suddenness in response, Mac Jones is not that guy.

But having said that, there's a lot to like about Mac Jones. He's got a very refined sense of anticipation and timing. He's got a feel for manipulating the defense. He does have enough pocket movement, which is defined by moving within a smaller area — even smaller than a boxing ring — to find a quiet place to throw the football. He had a very good feel against zone coverage to throw into zone windows with anticipation.

He was very decisive. He knew quickly where not to go but then to isolate where to go within the timing and the structure of the play design. He was a good deep ball thrower. He turned it loose. He was aggressive throwing the football.

And when it was required, which was not often, he showed pocket toughness. He stood and delivered. So, there's a lot to like about Mac Jones. He's just not going to make second-reaction plays that we've become used to seeing in the NFL. If you think that Patrick Mahomes is the way forward, Josh Allen, those kinds of players, Mac Jones certainly does not fit that mold.

In many ways, that mirrors your evaluation of Garoppolo from our conversation in February. And if Shanahan picks Jones, he might have both him and Garoppolo on the roster. So, how do Jones and Garoppolo compare?

GC: In some sense, if you draft Jones, I think you're believing that he's a better Jimmy Garoppolo. Because Jones is a highly efficient executor and ball distributor. That's what Jones is. He's somewhat programmed. He was in the Alabama offense. We know how Kyle Shanahan feels about his offense. He believes in it with such conviction that he can define the reads and the throws for the quarterback. And Jones is the executor. He's a ball distributor.

So it would seem that if you draft Mac Jones that you're basically saying, "My offense is still really good and we need someone better than the player we have now to execute that at the highest level that it can be executed."

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This was JT O'Sullivan's final QB rankings from last year, just for comparison:

1. Tua.

2. Burrow

3. Fromm

4. Jordan Love

5. Nate Stanley

6. Anthony Gordon

7. Jalen Hurts

8. Justin Herbert

9. Jacob Eason

10. Steven Montez

Looks like he realized he f**ked up and changed how he evaluates guys...growth is good, wish our HC could do that

For you Jones supporters out there, An honest question. Are you only supporting his credentials because you feel he is going to be the picked and you are preparing yourself for it and trying to find reasons to support it?

Originally posted by miked1978:
So one play is a red flag? Wonder if I'd see any red flags from looking at Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance's interceptions?

1. Every QB in this draft has weaknesses

2. This played was being used as a positive

3. The one elite trait he is supposed to have is his IQ.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by 1251alex:
None of us idiots posting here know what any of these QBs ceiling is. sucha dumb discussion.

Ha right, everyone acts like they have the expertise to nitpick at their footwork, release, etc. We are all just keyboard scouts who know nothing!

Then i expect to never see you posting in this thread again.

why? becauae he hit the nail on the head? discussions are fine and y'all can claim to know what every players "ceiling" is but just know you sound f**king ridiculous and we don't know whether to laugh or roll our eyes. If any of us here did know that type of information, we wouldn't be posting about it here. lol.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
For you Jones supporters out there, An honest question. Are you only supporting his credentials because you feel he is going to be the picked and you are preparing yourself for it and trying to find reasons to support it?

I support Jones just for the lol factor of grown ass men crying non stop for a month before the draft has even taken place and nobody actually knows anything. lmao.