Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

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Originally posted by boomer49er:

My point is we have "analysts" who can only come up with "He's they type of leader NFL teams want" as reason for talking about him as a high draft pick. That's not sophisticated analysis.

There's multiple videos in this thread breaking down Jones' game and explaining why he is so highly rated. Accuracy, throws with anticipation, footwork in the pocket, understanding of concepts etc.

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

My point is we have "analysts" who can only come up with "He's they type of leader NFL teams want" as reason for talking about him as a high draft pick. That's not sophisticated analysis.

There's multiple videos in this thread breaking down Jones' game and explaining why he is so highly rated. Accuracy, throws with anticipation, footwork in the pocket, understanding of concepts etc.

One problem. He is not highly rated. 90% have him at QB #5. Which inlies the problem when you are drafting at #3.

Originally posted by Jcool:
One problem. He is not highly rated. 90% have him at QB #5. Which inlies the problem when you are drafting at #3.

And 90% had Trubisky as QB #1 in his draft class.

Originally posted by Jcool:
One problem. He is not highly rated. 90% have him at QB #5. Which inlies the problem when you are drafting at #3

If you're a first round prospect, you're highly rated. This is also a general Mac Jones discussion thread, not just the "Mac Jones to the 49ers?" thread. This thread will continue whether or not Jones ends up as a 49er or goes elsewhere.

I think people are choosing to call him McCorkle to demean him in some way? I don't get it. Like, it's his middle name. Who cares?

Surely in the pantheon of bad names in the NFL this doesn't even crack the top 500.

People are weird. I don't get making s**t personal.

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by Jcool:
One problem. He is not highly rated. 90% have him at QB #5. Which inlies the problem when you are drafting at #3.

And 90% had Trubisky as QB #1 in his draft class.

Nope. It was pretty split that year.

Sports Illustrated had 1. Watson, 2. Mahomes, 3. Kizer, 4. Trubisky

SB Nation had 1. Watson, 2. Trubisky, 3. Kizer 4. Mahomes.

Inside Pylon had 1. Mahomes, 2. Kizer, 3. Watson, 4. Trubisky.

Mat Miller had 1. Trubisky, 2. Watson, 3. Mahomes, 4. Kizer.

Mike Mayock had 1. Kizer, 2. Watson, 3. Trubisky, 4. Mahomes.

Mel Kiper had 1. Trubisky, 2. Kizer, 3. Watson, 4. Mahomes.

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

My point is we have "analysts" who can only come up with "He's they type of leader NFL teams want" as reason for talking about him as a high draft pick. That's not sophisticated analysis.

There's multiple videos in this thread breaking down Jones' game and explaining why he is so highly rated. Accuracy, throws with anticipation, footwork in the pocket, understanding of concepts etc.

Except those things aren't really true. He makes pre-snap reads and locks in on what receiver he's going to. That's great when the read is right, but if it's wrong or the defense is able to disguise their coverage he still locks in on that receiver and makes bad decisions. He doesn't read progressions all that well, and he crumbles somewhat when there is pressure. His footwork and mechanics are not great, especially on deep balls. He played on an offense that masked a lot of what he did wrong. Have a look at the tape yourself. Even on a lot of "good" plays, his read wasn't right and it was only good because the offense was able to just out skill the other team. You don't have to make good reads when you're playing Madden on Rookie mode, and that's what a lot of their games were like. They had three heisman contenders on that team not at the QB position and guys on the offensive line who could make arguments for being the best at their position in the county. Many of those guys are going to be starting in the NFL in a couple of years.

We just need to be honest about what he offers. At best, he gives you production like Carr and at worse he's a backup for his career.

If you're a pure pocket passer and want to be taken in the top 5, you better be Marino-like with a laser-rocket....otherwise I don't see how it's worth with the way this league is going.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:
One problem. He is not highly rated. 90% have him at QB #5. Which inlies the problem when you are drafting at #3

If you're a first round prospect, you're highly rated. This is also a general Mac Jones discussion thread, not just the "Mac Jones to the 49ers?" thread. This thread will continue whether or not Jones ends up as a 49er or goes elsewhere.

No one is talking about Mac in generalites it's all about him possibly going to three. You know better than that. Not even sure what you are trying to accomplish acting like its otherwise.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by Jcool:
One problem. He is not highly rated. 90% have him at QB #5. Which inlies the problem when you are drafting at #3.

And 90% had Trubisky as QB #1 in his draft class.

Nope. It was pretty split that year.

Sports Illustrated had 1. Watson, 2. Mahomes, 3. Kizer, 4. Trubisky

SB Nation had 1. Watson, 2. Trubisky, 3. Kizer 4. Mahomes.

Inside Pylon had 1. Mahomes, 2. Kizer, 3. Watson, 4. Trubisky.

Mat Miller had 1. Trubisky, 2. Watson, 3. Mahomes, 4. Kizer.

Mike Mayock had 1. Kizer, 2. Watson, 3. Trubisky, 4. Mahomes.

Mel Kiper had 1. Trubisky, 2. Kizer, 3. Watson, 4. Mahomes.

These guys don't feel like they need to be right beyond draft night. Once a guy is in the league people tend to forget what they said about them by the next draft when they are talking about a new group.

I think most of these guys just try to read where teams are going to take them and make their own rankings roughly fit that. If they rank him as best and he gets drafted earlier that's a win for them. Nevermind if every other top 5 guy outplays him.

Look at Kiper, that's especially awful. If anyone was judging him on actual NFL performance of his rankings, he'd he hosting a indy podcast on the draft by now....not getting featured on ESPN every year. It's just about getting draft night right.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
16:40 minute mark of this video does a great breakdown of a bunch of Jones passing plays.

There are just so many subtle things about Mac's game that really impress me. JT O'Sullivan described some of his plays like that of a 10-year vet. I'd be lying if I said I picked up on all of the nuances while watching him. I have a basic grasp of QB play, but it takes a person who's played QB at a relatively high level to identify and appreciate all the little things he does. I believe the little things Mac does will ultimately be one of the driving factors in Kyle loving this kid.

"I know you guys want to hate the kid, but I don't know what to tell you this. This is high-level quarterback play." - Tim Jenkins on Mac Jones. That quote sums it up best.

The throw at 18:45 is definitely NFL elite level.

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Originally posted by boomer49er:
Except those things aren't really true. He makes pre-snap reads and locks in on what receiver he's going to. That's great when the read is right, but if it's wrong or the defense is able to disguise their coverage he still locks in on that receiver and makes bad decisions. He doesn't read progressions all that well, and he crumbles somewhat when there is pressure. His footwork and mechanics are not great, especially on deep balls. He played on an offense that masked a lot of what he did wrong. Have a look at the tape yourself. Even on a lot of "good" plays, his read wasn't right and it was only good because the offense was able to just out skill the other team. You don't have to make good reads when you're playing Madden on Rookie mode, and that's what a lot of their games were like. They had three heisman contenders on that team not at the QB position and guys on the offensive line who could make arguments for being the best at their position in the county. Many of those guys are going to be starting in the NFL in a couple of years.

We just need to be honest about what he offers. At best, he gives you production like Carr and at worse he's a backup for his career.

If you're a pure pocket passer and want to be taken in the top 5, you better be Marino-like with a laser-rocket....otherwise I don't see how it's worth with the way this league is going.

That's fair.

Obviously anyone drafting him in the Top 10 (49ers or not) would disagree with your summary.

Crumbling under preasure is interesting - isn't Jones' stats when he is under pressure one of his strengths?

Since 2017 draft was brought up, let's look at QB #5 in that draft

Walter Football: Davis Webb

Fox Sports: Brad Kaaya

SI: Brad Kaaya​

Matt Miller: Davis Webb

Inside Pylon: Nathan Peterman

Mike Mayock: Davis Webb

Mel Kiper: Brad Kaaya

Bob McGinn: Davis Webb

Originally posted by Jcool:
Since 2017 draft was brought up, let's look at QB #5 in that draft

Walter Football: Davis Webb

Fox Sports: Brad Kaaya

SI: Brad Kaaya?

Matt Miller: Davis Webb

Inside Pylon: Nathan Peterman

Mike Mayock: Davis Webb

Mel Kiper: Brad Kaaya

Bob McGinn: Davis Webb

How is this relevant to the 2021 Draft?

Kiper has Lance ranked as his 5th QB at 13th overall on his Big Board.

That would suggest this is a strong QB class (just using Kiper as an example not the be all and end all).

Originally posted by KiwiM:
How is this relevant to the 2021 Draft?

Kiper has Lance ranked as his 5th QB at 13th overall on his Big Board.

That would suggest this is a strong QB class (just using Kiper as an example not the be all and end all).

Kiper hasnt done good draft work in 20 years.