Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Jcool:
Kiper hasnt done good draft work in 20 years.

I agree.

I'm not sure what relevance your 2017 QB5 list is though?

Mac Jones is rated far better as a prospect than any of the names you listed.

I just can't see it happening.. why take a guy who doesn't offer much more than Jimmy does at number 3? Why? If Kyle drafts Jones it will be good demise. After watching what Wilson does to us, what Josh Allen did to us there's no way he's so arrogant and believes his system can excel with any run off the mill qb.

"Adam Schefter says the 49ers are taking Jones. Mike Lombardi says the 49ers are taking Jones. Mike Tannenbaum says the 49ers are taking Jones. Chris Simms says the 49ers are taking Jones. They call this "conventional wisdom", sports fans.

And the arguments they make are air-tight. Jones' strengths — decision-making, accuracy, anticipation, "winning before the snap", as they say — are everything Kyle Shanahan covets."
https://www.knbr.com/2021/04/08/murph-coming-to-grips-with-the-mac-jones-possibility/

Originally posted by jcs:

Thank you @MacJones_10 for coming out to do the first serve & then some! 😅👏#RollTide pic.twitter.com/IbvQ8K1Pdp

— Alabama Women's Tennis (@AlabamaWTN) January 19, 2020

"Adam Schefter says the 49ers are taking Jones. Mike Lombardi says the 49ers are taking Jones. Mike Tannenbaum says the 49ers are taking Jones. Chris Simms says the 49ers are taking Jones. They call this "conventional wisdom", sports fans.

And the arguments they make are air-tight. Jones' strengths — decision-making, accuracy, anticipation, "winning before the snap", as they say — are everything Kyle Shanahan covets."
https://www.knbr.com/2021/04/08/murph-coming-to-grips-with-the-mac-jones-possibility/

Originally posted by jays9ers:
I just can't see it happening.. why take a guy who doesn't offer much more than Jimmy does at number 3? Why? If Kyle drafts Jones it will be good demise. After watching what Wilson does to us, what Josh Allen did to us there's no way he's so arrogant and believes his system can excel with any run off the mill qb.

The argument from Kyle could be that Mac Jones is a substantial upgrade in two areas of weakness for Jimmy G

- turnovers.
- leaving plays out on the field

-Deep ball.

Kyle the only coach in the league that would even think of taking Jones at 3.

Originally posted by KiwiM:
That's fair.

Obviously anyone drafting him in the Top 10 (49ers or not) would disagree with your summary.

Crumbling under preasure is interesting - isn't Jones' stats when he is under pressure one of his strengths?

This is one reason you can't rely on stats. Mac is very rarely truly under pressure. Some of that is because of his processing and release, and some due to his immense O-Line.

There's a big difference between a blitz that you recognise, and then throw to a single covered Devonta Smith, and a DL beating a lineman last minute. They should not count the same.

Mac's stats under pressure will not translate into the league.

Originally posted by Jcool:
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Totally nailed it.

This pick would reek of shannahan arrogance.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Kyle the only coach in the league that would even think of taking Jones at 3.

Lol this, what a f**king fool

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol I almost comped him to Teddy. Figured that would get some backlash though.

Its Tom Brady or its nothing sir!

Lol apparently.

Originally posted by braap49er:
stop saying 3 1st man, we didnt give up three 1st. we gave up 2 1sts. 2 very LATE FIRSTS for 2022 and 2023.

you're spending THREE 1sts and a 3rd to put Mac Jones on your team....this yrs 1st, 2022 1st & 3rd, & 2023 2st

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
PHX just mad cause his true love Trask never made it to the discussion

f**k id rather spend a 3rd on trask if the goal is a system QB

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by fryet:
So, here is a reason to argue that Mac is worthy of the #3 pick. Everyone says that Mac has a low ceiling, however that really isn't accurate. His ceiling is Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. Some of the best QB in history do not have elite physical talents. What a QB without elite physical talents needs is an elite brain. If Mac Jones' brain is elite, then he could out shine the rest of the QB in the draft.

Even with this argument, though, the 49ers would still be overpaying for Mac Jones. Part of drafting is accurately assessing how the rest of the league values a player, and normally it is best to not focus too much on one player, because then you will overpay to get that player. The 49ers could assess Mac Jones as the best QB in the draft, and still determine that no other team is likely to draft him before #6, conceivably even before #12. The 49ers could in theory wait for Mac Jones to drop to #12 and get the steal of the draft. Or if they really want to make sure they get him, wait till draft day and spend draft capital to move up to #6 when that pick is on the clock. Instead of trading 3 firsts and a third, they could get him for 2 firsts. Being a GM isn't about just picking the right players, it is also maximizing your draft capital to get as many good players as you can.

How many Montana and Brady have there been in football history? So you're saying his ceiling is the third best QB of all time? Lol. Sorry that's not his ceiling, it's Cousins/Rivers/Ryan. Realistically somewhere between Tim Couch and a healthy JG seems right.

For starters, Montana was more nimble and athletic than Jones when he came out. Brady, probably less athletic than Jones. But the point of the original post is that athleticism gets overstated for the QB position and the mythological "ceiling". There is certainly a trend toward more athletic quarterbacks in the NFL, but it's relevant to point out that two of the greatest players to play the position were ball distributors that beat you with their brain more than their physical prowess.

Some believe that the qualities between a QB's ears, e.g., sensing pressure, reading defenses quickly, anticipating what routes are likely to come open pre-snap, in combination with an ability to deliver the ball to the right man with accuracy, are more importance than possessing the ability to dodge a free blitzer, escape an edge rusher who just beat your tackle, or stretching a defense to the breaking point by forcing them to account for a possible QB run. They are two different schools of thought and neither is necessarily right or wrong. What has a higher ceiling, Chinese food or Italian food?

Truth is, no one knows these guys' ceilings until they go out there and do it. There is plenty of history to suggest that the QB's head is his most important asset, but it's also the most difficult to evaluate and measure. But to suggest that player X has a low ceiling because he can't outrun all of the defenders, that just avoids the issue by reducing a QB to his measurable physical attributes.

Thank you, that was indeed the point I was trying to make in my first paragraph.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
lol keep manufacturing some fake scenario in your head

i hope they take fields or lance over mac. my only contention is how bad you think mac is.

i'd rank the qbs as follows

1. wilson
2. lawrence
3. fields
4. lance
5. jones

though i'd be fine with any of them if kyle believes we can win SBs with him

So spend 3 1sts and a 3rd on your 5th ranked QB? WTF?

You don't have to drink the Kool-aid just because kyle is making it...they will be no better then what they are now, outside of having a cheaper Jimmy...which cost them yrs of cheap top end talent through the draft anyway.

everyone talks about kyle getting the most out his QB, "he doesn't need a superstar" SO why spend a billion picks on a system QB? If you can get the most out of nothing, you should be able to take a dude like Davis Mills in the 2nd/3rd & get him to run your system. That should be the route if we have some QB whisper.

This is the most arrogant pick in NFL history if he does this! Fans should be rioting at Levi and asking for refunds on season tickets. I serious too.

lets stop with the kyle knows best crap....he clearly doesn't based on his past QBs, who he's passed on, and if this is truthfully the pick.