Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. OK buddy. Whatever you spin, er, say.

HAHA you're the one that's been spinning this stupid narrative since the SB...whenever you can squeeze it into something like it actually matters.

In no world what happened to the KC line a WEEK before the super bowl compare to what SF had in their SB. You're reaching. move on.

I'm just calling out the hypocrisy of fans. Thought it is/was odd.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If I was a head coach I would change my play calls to all madden plays. 4 verticals on 3 go

Check this out at 3:15. And holy s**t, Shanahan has aged like a motherf**ker in 4 years.

He's a little kid!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You think he's using the same verbiage he used in 2016 with the Falcons? They're not even running the same overall offense... dudes in gun, slapping his hands looking at big cards on the sidelines like every other college spread.

nah dude that's a reach imo.

Of course, the actual words aren't going to be the same years later, but they remain very similar. If you're familiar with WCO terminology, it's very easy to infer what a play call is irrespective of whose WCO it comes from because they're all structured in the exact same way. It's very likely that Sarkesian is still using play calls structured in a traditional WCO format, which would help Mac pick up Kyle's playbook very quickly.

Also, play call terminology has nothing to do with what's being run on the field.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm just calling out the hypocrisy of fans. Thought it is/was odd.

All good

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If I was a head coach I would change my play calls to all madden plays. 4 verticals on 3 go

Check this out at 3:15. And holy s**t, Shanahan has aged like a motherf**ker in 4 years.

It's s**t like this is why I played safety lol. Just needed to wait for the coverage call from the Mike

Originally posted by Heroism:
Of course, the actual words aren't going to be the same years later, but they remain very similar. If you're familiar with WCO terminology, it's very easy to infer what a play call is irrespective of whose WCO it comes from because they're all structured in the exact same way. It's very likely that Sarkesian is still using play calls structured in a traditional WCO format, which would help Mac pick up Kyle's playbook very quickly.

Also, play call terminology has nothing to do with what's being run on the field.

Sark wasn't even in ATL when Kyle was. He was an intern OC at Bama.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sark wasn't even in ATL when Kyle was. He was an intern OC at Bama.

reread

Originally posted by Heroism:
Kyle Shanahan was nice enough to leave him his playbook. He was getting criticized by the ATL media for even keeping some of the terminologies exactly the same.

While he won't construct a new playbook, Sarkisian will, of course, bring unique qualities to the Falcons.

I know people that live in the ATL. Dude was getting criticized in the media for using the exact same terminology.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sark wasn't even in ATL when Kyle was. He was an intern OC at Bama.

reread

Originally posted by Heroism:
Kyle Shanahan was nice enough to leave him his playbook. He was getting criticized by the ATL media for even keeping some of the terminologies exactly the same.

#AtlantaFalcons #Falcons #RiseUp Offensive Scheme to Stay the Same #FalconsNation https://t.co/JdIyE26oKx

— Atlanta Falcons Fans (@FalconsViews) February 7, 2017

While he won't construct a new playbook, Sarkisian will, of course, bring unique qualities to the Falcons.

I know people that live in the ATL. Dude was getting criticized in the media for using the exact same terminology.

nice enough to leave his "old playbook" cool well we have absolutely no idea what his verbiage is at Bama...just because he was forced to run an offense in ATL doesn't mean he's doing that in Bama. Dude was a coach before ATL and it sounded like he was infusing what he wants to do with what the previous OC in Bama as well (whom he actually coached under).

imo it's kinda reach to assume that he's using the same stuff kyle was using just because he was a play caller in ATL...I'm sure Kyle asked about it though.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Someone being +325 odds and -305 odds on favorite are vastly different.

Point is the best Vegas odds don't mean anything when it comes to what actually happens.

Comparing apples and oranges

Weird hill to die on.

Weird thinking this is a hill

Are you okay?

LOL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Like I said I don't give a s**t what you do on your own time, you're the QB you don't post s**t about it...Kittle doesn't talk about it. Bosa doesn't say s**t about it anymore. You have a f**k ton of African Americans on the team that I'll bet money aren't fans of Trump.

I disagree kyle a trumper.

The facts are out there, but like I said, why does it matter? Keep your damn politics out of football.

Can.you.ball? That's the only thing that matters. I don't care if you're a liberal, qanon, conservative, commie, etc. If you can ball, I want you on my team.

Hey man I'm throwing it all out there, just like Chris did of the Sac Bee. Just like every does every yr with prospects.

no I actually care if your a Q lol. I question your mental capacity at that point 🙃

I also have no problem leaving politics out of football, issue is he. did. not. reportedly.

If you're a Qtard you're also a we Todd.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I think of it more by the numbers. The odds of all 5 2021 QBs making an impact in the NFL is extremely low. Wilson may just be fluff and pretty dressing. Lawrence may have peaked already. Lance may be too inexperienced, Jones may not have enough arm strength, and Fields may be athletic to a fault.

But the odds of 2 of these guys making an impact is very good.

We don't see QB's that range this much of the QB positional traits spectrum in a 5 year span. We are getting just about the full QB spectrum at each of the positional traits highest level in the first 5 QBs this year.

I'd say the chances that all 5 become legit NFLers is zero. Which means some team(s) are going to be drafting a straight up bust. Please not the 49ers. Although whichever QB gets drafted by SF has by far the best environment to succeed in. If I was Lawrence I would consider making a video of myself in a bong mask hoping I drop to #3 .

I think this QB class is unusually good. Sam Darnold is the bottom for these five IMHO. Unless they end up in the worst place possible.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Athletic profile QB fans: "Everything would have to be perfect for Jimmy Garoppolo and Mac Jones to win a Superbowl."

Question: What happened when one thing wasn't perfect for Patrick Mahomes in the Superbowl last year, unlike the year before when it was.

Same fans: "Yeah but he tried really hard. It wasn't his fault they lost."

Don't embarrass yourself like this. He had a PRACTICE SQUAD offensive line. "One thing going wrong" would be the top WR being schemed out by the defense. A practice squad Oline is a full on nuclear power plant melt down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
nice enough to leave his "old playbook" cool well we have absolutely no idea what his verbiage is at Bama...just because he was forced to run an offense in ATL doesn't mean he's doing that in Bama. Dude was a coach before ATL and it sounded like he was infusing what he wants to do with the previous OC in Bama as well (whom he actually coached under).

imo it's a reach to assume that he's using the same stuff kyle was using just because he was a play caller in ATL.

Oh, lookie what I found. This looks like WCO formatted play calls straight out of Sarkisian's 2020 Alabama playbook.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Of course, the actual words aren't going to be the same years later, but they remain very similar. If you're familiar with WCO terminology, it's very easy to infer what a play call is irrespective of whose WCO it comes from because they're all structured in the exact same way. It's very likely that Sarkesian is still using play calls structured in a traditional WCO format, which would help Mac pick up Kyle's playbook very quickly.

Also, play call terminology has nothing to do with what's being run on the field.

I love to tell my Al Borges coaching clinic story. I was blessed enough to sit in on a coaching clinic by Al Borges, were he diagramed out a single play and went over the nuances of that play versus different defenses. It must have been over 3 hours on that one play.

Every offense has some combination of routs that every team and every QB has thrown. I think what really sets the WCO apart from other offenses is how they read and when they throw. Al Borges gave Jason Cambell the freedom to make his drop 3, 5 or 7 , but that is really where the freedom stopped....everything else was on script, depending on what he was seeing. Cambell had reads at different drop depths and some of the WRs came in and out of progression based on the timing of the offense. The end result for a "correct" read had as much to do with being open and were the other skill position players were. As a rout crossed the field....some of those players are no longer in the progression and actually were looking for their blocking assignments to make sure the offense had YAC. Throwing to the correct read, would in theory put the other players in position to screen the pursuit to the pass catcher.

At least in Al Borges offense, the idea of 3rd read or 4th read would be a misnomer. the TE for example on that play was not even in the rout progression unless Jason stopped his drop depth at 3 steps. Once that quick hit window was over the TEs sole job was screen traffic for Ronnie Brown exiting the back field. Much like a moving screen in Basketball... it was to slow down the pursuit . The WR running an in rout? Same thing...once his window passed...he was suppose to scrub the safety off the play for the WR working across the hash to have open ground on the post. I don't think Al Borges had 4th reads and outside of a dump off to the RB most everything was 2 reads. The reads changed if it was 3-5 or 7 but whenever the pressure came it was mostly a simple 2 read offense.

As complex as Al Borges offense was with all those moving parts setting up other players based on time, I am sure NFL offenses are more complex, I think that is were learning curve comes from, not the names of the plays or routs. Knowing when the ball goes to the target has to be a much larger thing to figure out then what the "new" name of a rout or rout combination is. None of the QBs the 49ers could draft will be unfamiliar with the routs or throws...assigning a new name to old knowledge is fundamentally much easier then knowing why or when you throw the ball. I say that as someone with a Training and Development back ground. A common teaching technique is getting people to attach new knowledge to old knowledge.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Of course, the actual words aren't going to be the same years later, but they remain very similar. If you're familiar with WCO terminology, it's very easy to infer what a play call is irrespective of whose WCO it comes from because they're all structured in the exact same way. It's very likely that Sarkesian is still using play calls structured in a traditional WCO format, which would help Mac pick up Kyle's playbook very quickly.

Also, play call terminology has nothing to do with what's being run on the field.

I love to tell my Al Borges coaching clinic story. I was blessed enough to sit in on a coaching clinic by Al Borges, were he diagramed out a single play and went over the nuances of that play versus different defenses. It must have been over 3 hours on that one play.

Every offense has some combination of routs that every team and every QB has thrown. I think what really sets the WCO apart from other offenses is how they read and when they throw. Al Borges gave Jason Cambell the freedom to make his drop 3, 5 or 7 , but that is really where the freedom stopped....everything else was on script, depending on what he was seeing. Cambell had reads at different drop depths and some of the WRs came in and out of progression based on the timing of the offense. The end result for a "correct" read had as much to do with being open and were the other skill position players were. As a rout crossed the field....some of those players are no longer in the progression and actually were looking for their blocking assignments to make sure the offense had YAC. Throwing to the correct read, would in theory put the other players in position to screen the pursuit to the pass catcher.

At least in Al Borges offense, the idea of 3rd read or 4th read would be a misnomer. the TE for example on that play was not even in the rout progression unless Jason stopped his drop depth at 3 steps. Once that quick hit window was over the TEs sole job was screen traffic for Ronnie Brown exiting the back field. Much like a moving screen in Basketball... it was to slow down the pursuit . The WR running an in rout? Same thing...once his window passed...he was suppose to scrub the safety off the play for the WR working across the hash to have open ground on the post. I don't think Al Borges had 4th reads and outside of a dump off to the RB most everything was 2 reads. The reads changed if it was 3-5 or 7 but whenever the pressure came it was mostly a simple 2 read offense.

As complex as Al Borges offense was with all those moving parts setting up other players based on time, I am sure NFL offenses are more complex, I think that is were learning curve comes from, not the names of the plays or routs. Knowing when the ball goes to the target has to be a much larger thing to figure out then what the "new" name of a rout or rout combination is. None of the QBs the 49ers could draft will be unfamiliar with the routs or throws...assigning a new name to old knowledge is fundamentally much easier then knowing why or when you throw the ball. I say that as someone with a Training and Development back ground. A common teaching technique is getting people to attach new knowledge to old knowledge.

Yeah. What this guy said