Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
No one has lost as many Super Bowls in that time period either.

Answer this, if you put Brady on KC and Mahomes on TB, who wins?

Finally, if Ryan had a slot WR he would have fumbled nor got sacked out of FG range and he would have a ring as well.

Lame. Going to 10 SB's only further cements that he's a million times better than everyone. Russell Wilson loses in the wild card every year. That's worse.

Mahomes wins. Not because of him or that he gives you a better shot. He wins because of his d. Dude has thrown 5 picks and played like straight trash for 7 quarters vs those d lines. He really just got lucky that holding wasn't called in the 1 otherwise he'd be 0-2. He's still the best QB in football right now but a great d line gives everyone fits.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Athletic profile QB fans: "Everything would have to be perfect for Jimmy Garoppolo and Mac Jones to win a Superbowl."

Question: What happened when one thing wasn't perfect for Patrick Mahomes in the Superbowl last year, unlike the year before when it was.

Same fans: "Yeah but he tried really hard. It wasn't his fault they lost."

Don't embarrass yourself like this. He had a PRACTICE SQUAD offensive line. "One thing going wrong" would be the top WR being schemed out by the defense. A practice squad Oline is a full on nuclear power plant melt down.

Hilarious. Mike Person, Ben Garland and the worst graded pass protection G in football in Laken Tomlinson.

Yet, the POINT is, one key piece wasn't perfect, and a "mobile QB" couldn't transcend that despite every other aspect of the team being better or the same from the previous Superbowl team.

So that argument needs to be thrown out for both QB's...hence why football is still a team game.

But he did transcend that "one key piece" letting him down. It wasn't just the o-line, his receivers dropped multiple would-be TD passes on perfectly placed balls (all 3 were catches a child could make). He couldn't transcend being let down by everyone else on the offense.

Mahomes with another freakish escape + throw.

pic.twitter.com/R2lVakI4Qq

— John Ellis (@OnePantherPlace) February 8, 2021

ISSO SERIA SURREAL. #SuperBowl #NFLBrasil pic.twitter.com/nAEhyz7vHt

— NFL Brasil (@NFLBrasil) February 8, 2021

That was an ABSURD throw by Patrick Mahomes.

It hit Darrel Williams in the face.

That kind of night for the #Chiefs. #SuperBowl pic.twitter.com/SOtwi28hdL

— Billy Heyen (@BillyHeyen) February 8, 2021

To equate Jimmy's pure crappiness in the 4th quarter with Mahomes' literal heroics is criminal. Just because Jimmy's o-line wasn't great in that game doesn't mean the two situations were remotely the same.

And if you're drafting a QB in 2021, he better be able to make plays like the above or he's not worth the pick.

LOL. So a dude runs around for 4 seconds he's transcendent even after it didn't breed even minimal success? Cute.

He didn't transcend anything. He looked like a high school QB, abanding plays in many cases where he didn't need to, taking huge hits, throwing the timing off, OL not knowing how and when to block for him, receivers instantly abandoning their routes, not knowing when to break out, forced to keep their eyes on the QB vs. focused on running their routes, not knowing when the ball would be thrown, etc.

It was an off schedule s**t show is what it was.

Dude saw more ghosts in one game than Garoppolo in 2 years of getting pounded here combined.

Anyway, this wasn't an exercise in directly punking Mahomes but an example of the terrible spin that fans use; an example of the greatest non-mobile QB of all time not being capable of transcending anything in the real world while speaking out of the corner of their mouth about pocket passers, noting everything must be perfect for them to win. It's just another form of mental gymnastics.

No issues if we go Fields/Lance but let me save you some suspense ---- everything will need to be perfect for them too.

Here's something else...your pool of top mobile QB's (there are two types of these too: mobile to throw - Mahomes and throw to run - Jackson) and top pocket passers, they continue to beat each other.

The key is just getting a top tier QB, whether mobile or immobile.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. So a dude runs around for 4 seconds he's transcendent even after it didn't breed even minimal success? Cute.

He didn't transcend anything. He looked like a high school QB, abanding plays in many cases where he didn't need to, taking huge hits, throwing the timing off, OL not knowing how and when to block for him, receivers instantly abandoning their routes, not knowing when to break out, forced to keep their eyes on the QB vs. focused on running their routes, not knowing when the ball would be thrown, etc.

It was an off schedule s**t show is what it was.

Dude saw more ghosts in one game than Garoppolo in 2 years of getting pounded here combined.

All things considered, Mahomes has been awesome,... Hence the transcendent contract.

Once you mix Garoppolo in even the same sentence as him, we're all pretty much sold on what side of the fence you've set your rocking chair up on,... that you will not move from it, and why.

The good part is that we get to have a coach that thinks drastically different than posters here.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If this thread gets to 800 pages by Draft day, the 49ers are definitely Mac Jones.

This is rigged! His thread was already very active because we assumed he would be the only an around at our original pick #12. We need to measure the posts from each qb's thread once the trade went public lol

I was bored, so I figured it out. Since the trade their have been 365 pages and 5,485 posts not including this one. It might be kind of lame, but I couldn't resist a challenge.

That mod is a trouble maker.....

Originally posted by random49er:
All things considered, Mahomes has been awesome,... Hence the transcendent contract.

Once you mix Garoppolo in even the same sentence as him, we're all pretty much sold on what side of the fence you've set your rocking chair up on,... that you will not move from it, and why.

The good part is that we get to have a coach that thinks drastically different than posters here.

You've obviously completely missed the point on this one.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If this thread gets to 800 pages by Draft day, the 49ers are definitely Mac Jones.

This is rigged! His thread was already very active because we assumed he would be the only an around at our original pick #12. We need to measure the posts from each qb's thread once the trade went public lol

I was bored, so I figured it out. Since the trade their have been 365 pages and 5,485 posts not including this one. It might be kind of lame, but I couldn't resist a challenge.

That mod is a trouble maker.....

And Fields had 1309 posts and 88 pages. Then the trade....

Since then he added 239 pages.

Jones has added 236 in the same time frame.

With this clarified data it is obvious Fields is the guy

Fowler on ESPN doing a little backpedaling like the rest of the NFL media...says what he hears from people that "know" kyle is Jones simply fits his mold of QB...brought up Schaub/Kirk lol like that's his ideal QB or some s**t. He then said that no on actually knows who they're picking and the fact that they will be going to Lance/fields pro days is telling...

so while I have to accept the fact that Jones has a legit chance being the pick...like I keep saying NO ONE has a freaking clue who they're gonna pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN doing a little backpedaling like the rest of the NFL media...says what he hears from people that "know" kyle is Jones simply fits his mold of QB...brought up Schaub/Kirk lol like that's his ideal QB or some s**t. He then said that no on actually knows who they're picking and the fact that they will be going to Lance/fields pro days is telling...

so while I have to accept the fact that Jones has a legit chance being the pick...like I keep saying NO ONE has a freaking clue who they're gonna pick.

Wait what? You were on the no way in hell kyle drafts jones at 3 bandwagon a few days ago. What changed?

And yes I agree that no one has a damn clue. You can make educated guesses, but that's it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN doing a little backpedaling like the rest of the NFL media...says what he hears from people that "know" kyle is Jones simply fits his mold of QB...brought up Schaub/Kirk lol like that's his ideal QB or some s**t. He then said that no on actually knows who they're picking and the fact that they will be going to Lance/fields pro days is telling...

so while I have to accept the fact that Jones has a legit chance being the pick...like I keep saying NO ONE has a freaking clue who they're gonna pick.

I'm 100% with you on this one. I'm fairly confident nobody truly knows.

The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that Mike Shanahan is helping in this assessment and this has that RGIII-feel to it along with Kyle's own comments about how he'd have to adjust the whole offense for a QB like him and Kaepernick (in the past).

And Mike's strong personal connection to Adam Schefter, who sounded extremely confident Mac Jones was the pick (virtually, a laughable reaction to the question like "Duh!"). And given Kyle hasn't brought in one single mobile QB in 5 years now?

Virtually all media will cycle to Fields and then Lance and we'll probably be back to Mac days before the pick. But nobody really knows.

And honestly, if it's Fields or Lance, that's going to be fantastic as he'll be walking in to an ideal situation where he can develop properly and hit the ground running down the road when Kyle feels he is ready. I'd personally sit any of the 3 for a full year, but that's just me.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN doing a little backpedaling like the rest of the NFL media...says what he hears from people that "know" kyle is Jones simply fits his mold of QB...brought up Schaub/Kirk lol like that's his ideal QB or some s**t. He then said that no on actually knows who they're picking and the fact that they will be going to Lance/fields pro days is telling...

so while I have to accept the fact that Jones has a legit chance being the pick...like I keep saying NO ONE has a freaking clue who they're gonna pick.

I'm 100% with you on this one. I'm fairly confident nobody truly knows.

The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that Mike Shanahan is helping in this assessment and this has that RGIII-feel to it along with Kyle's own comments about how he'd have to adjust the whole offense for a QB like him and Kaepernick (in the past).

And Mike's strong personal connection to Adam Schefter, who sounded extremely confident Mac Jones was the pick (virtually, a laughable reaction to the question like "Duh!"). And given Kyle hasn't brought in one single mobile QB in 5 years now?

Virtually all media will cycle to Fields and then Lance and we'll probably be back to Mac days before the pick. But nobody really knows.

And honestly, if it's Fields or Lance, that's going to be fantastic as he'll be walking in to an ideal situation where he can develop properly and hit the ground running down the road when Kyle feels he is ready. I'd personally sit any of the 3 for a full year, but that's just me.

Agreed. I think having that year to sit is what Kyle also wants and imo would make him more receptive of Fields and Lance. The fear is Jimmy staying on the field. Maybe Rosen or whoever will actually be the backup and the rookie qb3 first half of the season. Kyle can coach up and we and mold the offense slowly etc. I know some feel Fields could push Jimmy day 1.

Mike is a wild card and your points are why we are going back and forth, but he won with Young and Elway... so let's see how stubborn they are. I've said Fields actually reminds me of Young. I feel like Kyle could have a field day with him! (Pun intended).

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN doing a little backpedaling like the rest of the NFL media...says what he hears from people that "know" kyle is Jones simply fits his mold of QB...brought up Schaub/Kirk lol like that's his ideal QB or some s**t. He then said that no on actually knows who they're picking and the fact that they will be going to Lance/fields pro days is telling...

so while I have to accept the fact that Jones has a legit chance being the pick...like I keep saying NO ONE has a freaking clue who they're gonna pick.

I'm 100% with you on this one. I'm fairly confident nobody truly knows.

The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that Mike Shanahan is helping in this assessment and this has that RGIII-feel to it along with Kyle's own comments about how he'd have to adjust the whole offense for a QB like him and Kaepernick (in the past).

And Mike's strong personal connection to Adam Schefter, who sounded extremely confident Mac Jones was the pick (virtually, a laughable reaction to the question like "Duh!"). And given Kyle hasn't brought in one single mobile QB in 5 years now?

Virtually all media will cycle to Fields and then Lance and we'll probably be back to Mac days before the pick. But nobody really knows.

And honestly, if it's Fields or Lance, that's going to be fantastic as he'll be walking in to an ideal situation where he can develop properly and hit the ground running down the road when Kyle feels he is ready. I'd personally sit any of the 3 for a full year, but that's just me.

Agreed. I think having that year to sit is what Kyle also wants and imo would make him more receptive of Fields and Lance. The fear is Jimmy staying on the field. Maybe Rosen or whoever will actually be the backup and the rookie qb3 first half of the season. Kyle can coach up and we and mold the offense slowly etc. I know some feel Fields could push Jimmy day 1.

Mike is a wild card and your points are why we are going back and forth, but he won with Young and Elway... so let's see how stubborn they are. I've said Fields actually reminds me of Young. I feel like Kyle could have a field day with him! (Pun intended).

Haha. Nice.

Fields of jeans, baby.

I'm so fascinated by this because it ultimately comes down to philosophy. What style of QB does Kyle feel is most ideal for his system. And if that style isn't as conducive to his system, taking that player's upside, what system changes will he make to get optimal output?

So good.

So i guess we are at the Mahomes is overrated part of draft season....

Originally posted by Jcool:
So i guess we are at the Mahomes is overrated part of draft season....

Clearly. I mean, who wouldn't come to that conclusion.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. So a dude runs around for 4 seconds he's transcendent even after it didn't breed even minimal success? Cute.

He didn't transcend anything. He looked like a high school QB, abanding plays in many cases where he didn't need to, taking huge hits, throwing the timing off, OL not knowing how and when to block for him, receivers instantly abandoning their routes, not knowing when to break out, forced to keep their eyes on the QB vs. focused on running their routes, not knowing when the ball would be thrown, etc.

It was an off schedule s**t show is what it was.

Dude saw more ghosts in one game than Garoppolo in 2 years of getting pounded here combined.

What?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Athletic profile QB fans: "Everything would have to be perfect for Jimmy Garoppolo and Mac Jones to win a Superbowl."

Question: What happened when one thing wasn't perfect for Patrick Mahomes in the Superbowl last year, unlike the year before when it was.

Same fans: "Yeah but he tried really hard. It wasn't his fault they lost."

Don't embarrass yourself like this. He had a PRACTICE SQUAD offensive line. "One thing going wrong" would be the top WR being schemed out by the defense. A practice squad Oline is a full on nuclear power plant melt down.

Hilarious. Mike Person, Ben Garland and the worst graded pass protection G in football in Laken Tomlinson.

Yet, the POINT is, one key piece wasn't perfect, and a "mobile QB" couldn't transcend that despite every other aspect of the team being better or the same from the previous Superbowl team.

So that argument needs to be thrown out for both QB's...hence why football is still a team game.

But he did transcend that "one key piece" letting him down. It wasn't just the o-line, his receivers dropped multiple would-be TD passes on perfectly placed balls (all 3 were catches a child could make). He couldn't transcend being let down by everyone else on the offense.

Mahomes with another freakish escape + throw.

pic.twitter.com/R2lVakI4Qq

— John Ellis (@OnePantherPlace) February 8, 2021

ISSO SERIA SURREAL. #SuperBowl #NFLBrasil pic.twitter.com/nAEhyz7vHt

— NFL Brasil (@NFLBrasil) February 8, 2021

That was an ABSURD throw by Patrick Mahomes.

It hit Darrel Williams in the face.

That kind of night for the #Chiefs. #SuperBowl pic.twitter.com/SOtwi28hdL

— Billy Heyen (@BillyHeyen) February 8, 2021

To equate Jimmy's pure crappiness in the 4th quarter with Mahomes' literal heroics is criminal. Just because Jimmy's o-line wasn't great in that game doesn't mean the two situations were remotely the same.

And if you're drafting a QB in 2021, he better be able to make plays like the above or he's not worth the pick.

LOL. So a dude runs around for 4 seconds he's transcendent even after it didn't breed even minimal success? Cute.

He didn't transcend anything. He looked like a high school QB, abanding plays in many cases where he didn't need to, taking huge hits, throwing the timing off, OL not knowing how and when to block for him, receivers instantly abandoning their routes, not knowing when to break out, forced to keep their eyes on the QB vs. focused on running their routes, not knowing when the ball would be thrown, etc.

It was an off schedule s**t show is what it was.

Dude saw more ghosts in one game than Garoppolo in 2 years of getting pounded here combined.

Anyway, this wasn't an exercise in directly punking Mahomes but an example of the terrible spin that fans use; an example of the greatest non-mobile QB of all time not being capable of transcending anything in the real world while speaking out of the corner of their mouth about pocket passers, noting everything must be perfect for them to win. It's just another form of mental gymnastics.

No issues if we go Fields/Lance but let me save you some suspense ---- everything will need to be perfect for them too.

Here's something else...your pool of top mobile QB's (there are two types of these too: mobile to throw - Mahomes and throw to run - Jackson) and top pocket passers, they continue to beat each other.

The key is just getting a top tier QB, whether mobile or immobile.

In the end, all 3 plays resulted in a catchable pass to a receiver in the endzone. Short of running it into the endzone himself, Mahomes could not do his part anymore than that.