Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Heroism:
Oh god, this guy is still around?! Maybe he's educated himself since on football, but the dude was pretty clueless a few years ago. I vividly remember he had a video where he was baffled why Joe Staley wasn't blocking the end man on zone plays going away from him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Oh I can't stand his voice I only can make it like 20 seconds into his video before I wanna gouge my own ears out.

Yeah he drives me nuts, tried watching a breakdown of Lance and I couldn't do it. Plenty of peeps thought herbert wasn't gonna be anything in the NFL. His "issues" weren't remotely close to what people are saying about Jones. So, for me it's not apples to apples at all.

you take elite talent blue chip guys when you're drafting high or moving yrs of 1sts. Middlekauff talked about how SF has been with drafting straight up talent/blue chip guys vs "system fits" and it hasn't been pretty for those system guys overall

If anything Herbert is the example Fields fans should be pointing too saying look at how people overlooked him for some minor flaws and then he arrived and won RotY

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Oh god, this guy is still around?! Maybe he's educated himself since on football, but the dude was pretty clueless a few years ago. I vividly remember he had a video where he was baffled why Joe Staley wasn't blocking the end man on zone plays going away from him.

LOL I need to retract this statement. I confused this guy with another "film guru" on youtube to pretends to sound like Jon Gruden. That guy was the one that didn't understand zone runs.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by evil:
Hasn't accomplished anything? He completely rebuilt a roster from top to bottom and flipped a franchises culture in 3 years and made it to a SB. That defense and run game was Kyle built from the ground up.

How many head coaches can claim to have actually completely rebuilt a roster and made a SB in their first 3 years?

So John Lynch and Adam Peters get no credit?

They do as they played major roles in the rebuild. But the roster is shaped by Kyle's vision.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hope they draft jones so that I finally get some vindication after years of arguing shanahan sucks

If you don't have a better replacement for him then you're just whining.

Yes. Robert salah

Who would be calling the offensive plays?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If anything Herbert is the example Fields fans should be pointing too saying look at how people overlooked him for some minor flaws and then he arrived and won RotY

Exactly...talent matters at the highest level in sports.

I don't even know what all these "flaws" are regarding Fields anyway.

fun fact on TDN latest breakdown of Fields and the BS progressions stuff...

Let's take Jones as a foil to Fields. While Fields has been criticized for his rate of attempts beyond his first read, I charted Fields as attempting more passes beyond his first read than any of the other top quarterbacks in the class; it was Jones, who is regularly credited for his processing speed, smart eyes, and decision making, who had the fewest attempts beyond his first read. In terms of performance after that first read, Jones was again remarkably worse.

The danger with focusing on physical traits too much at QB is that you're more likely to get Paxton Lynch than Justin Herbert. Trust, I'm a traits guy too at every other position. The problem at QB is that intangibles play a bigger role than any other position on the field, and we can't quantify intangibles, which is why I'm not losing my s**t over any of these guys. There's a good chance that non of these dudes turn into franchise-changing QBs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If anything Herbert is the example Fields fans should be pointing too saying look at how people overlooked him for some minor flaws and then he arrived and won RotY

Exactly...talent matters at the highest level in sports.

I don't even know what all these "flaws" are regarding Fields anyway.

fun fact on TDN latest breakdown of Fields and the BS progressions stuff...

Let's take Jones as a foil to Fields. While Fields has been criticized for his rate of attempts beyond his first read, I charted Fields as attempting more passes beyond his first read than any of the other top quarterbacks in the class; it was Jones, who is regularly credited for his processing speed, smart eyes, and decision making, who had the fewest attempts beyond his first read. In terms of performance after that first read, Jones was again remarkably worse.

Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder why Jones is the one that often gets labeled as a pocket field general that slices and dices the defense with pure mental acuity and Fields is often labeled as a lazy one read and run QB.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The danger with focusing on physical traits too much at QB is that you're more likely to get Paxton Lynch than Justin Herbert. Trust, I'm a traits guy too at every other position. The problem at QB is that intangibles play a bigger role than any other position on the field, and we can't quantify intangibles, which is why I'm not losing my s**t over any of these guys. There's a good chance that non of these dudes turn into franchise-changing QBs.

Agreed, it's such a tough position to extrapolate to the pros. Any look at past draft classes will prove that. It's funny people are knocking Shannahans track record with qbs but he found cousins in the fourth which is borderline insane. They got him with pick #102. Who besides Tom Brady has been more successful at a lower pick? Kurt Warner undrafted. Anyone else? Pretty crazy.

Beathard didn't work out but who cares... He need to miss on ten bethards and he'd still have more to show with the cousins pick that most other guys ever.

This is #3 overall. He's in love with someone here. He got crazy production out of every high level talent he's ever worked with. Shannahan maximizes production at the qb position. He's gonna nail this pick imo.

Oh one more thing. He passed on mahomes and watson in the first and everyone hammers him for that. Well he likes this guy more than he liked those two apparently. That says a lot.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Agreed, it's such a tough position to extrapolate to the pros. Any look at past draft classes will prove that. It's funny people are knocking Shannahans track record with qbs but he found cousins in the fourth which is borderline insane.

Truth. The majority of GMs go their entire tenures without drafting a single legit NFL QB. Shanahans did it with a day 3 pick. People ask why the Shanahans are so hung up on Kirk Cousins. It's pretty damn obvious to me: That's a f**king massive feather in their cap.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Who would be calling the offensive plays?

Batman.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with the PFF stat?

Don't listen to anything Chris Simms suggests for us pre-draft.

Don't quote or rehash his evidence.

He's already told you he will lie to cover for what he really knows from Kyle.

I hope that's simpler than the gymnastics I've caused you to do.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hope they draft jones so that I finally get some vindication after years of arguing shanahan sucks

If you don't have a better replacement for him then you're just whining.

Yes. Robert salah

Who would be calling the offensive plays?

Maybe someone from McVay's coaching staff? That branch of the Mike Shanahan coaching tree has had more success running his system than Kyle has.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The danger with focusing on physical traits too much at QB is that you're more likely to get Paxton Lynch than Justin Herbert. Trust, I'm a traits guy too at every other position. The problem at QB is that intangibles play a bigger role than any other position on the field, and we can't quantify intangibles, which is why I'm not losing my s**t over any of these guys. There's a good chance that non of these dudes turn into franchise-changing QBs.

Well said.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If anything Herbert is the example Fields fans should be pointing too saying look at how people overlooked him for some minor flaws and then he arrived and won RotY

Exactly...talent matters at the highest level in sports.

I don't even know what all these "flaws" are regarding Fields anyway.

fun fact on TDN latest breakdown of Fields and the BS progressions stuff...

Let's take Jones as a foil to Fields. While Fields has been criticized for his rate of attempts beyond his first read, I charted Fields as attempting more passes beyond his first read than any of the other top quarterbacks in the class; it was Jones, who is regularly credited for his processing speed, smart eyes, and decision making, who had the fewest attempts beyond his first read. In terms of performance after that first read, Jones was again remarkably worse.

Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder why Jones is the one that often gets labeled as a pocket field general that slices and dices the defense with pure mental acuity and Fields is often labeled as a lazy one read and run QB.

Yeah....I wonder.