Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Btw,... For the PFF lovers that hold tight to what they say...

I've put in print on here before that they'd give us A+ grades @ #3 for taking any one of Wilson, Lance, or Fields.

I have yet to see how they regard BigMac @ #3. Maybe someone can share it?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder why Jones is the one that often gets labeled as a pocket field general that slices and dices the defense with pure mental acuity and Fields is often labeled as a lazy one read and run QB.

I haven't seen a single competent evaluator say that Justin Fields is a one-read QB. Not one.

It's the (dumb) fans perpetuating this crap.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder why Jones is the one that often gets labeled as a pocket field general that slices and dices the defense with pure mental acuity and Fields is often labeled as a lazy one read and run QB.

I haven't seen a single competent evaluator say that Justin Fields is a one-read QB. Not one.

It's the (dumb) fans perpetuating this crap.

Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

And the fact that on a ton of plays he's waiting on wr option routes to develop.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

Yeah he is more of a pure pocket passer than people think. Great arm strength and great accuracy. The stigma of slow processing might hurt him, which is why I personally don't think shanahan drafts him.

Most of the top 50 boards the draft "experts" are putting out have jones in the 25-32 range. Fields/Lance in top 10.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder why Jones is the one that often gets labeled as a pocket field general that slices and dices the defense with pure mental acuity and Fields is often labeled as a lazy one read and run QB.

I haven't seen a single competent evaluator say that Justin Fields is a one-read QB. Not one.

It's the (dumb) fans perpetuating this crap.

They're not calling him a one read guy but plenty question his decision making and ability to process.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yeah he is more of a pure pocket passer than people think. Great arm strength and great accuracy. The stigma of slow processing might hurt him, which is why I personally don't think shanahan drafts him.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/justin-fields-progressions-first-read-analysis

Again, like most fan analysis, not correct or distorted

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yeah he is more of a pure pocket passer than people think. Great arm strength and great accuracy. The stigma of slow processing might hurt him, which is why I personally don't think shanahan drafts him.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/justin-fields-progressions-first-read-analysis

Again, like most fan analysis, not correct or distorted

"One thing I didn't get in here but wish I did: I don't think Fields is a great quick game passer for the same reasons (willing to sit on Read 1, slow motion) people think he's a bad processor. So for teams who want to main quick game, Fields' play style just won't translate well"

Quote by Benjamin Solek in the comments section of the same article.

Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
"One thing I didn't get in here but wish I did: I don't think Fields is a great quick game passer for the same reasons (willing to sit on Read 1, slow motion) people think he's a bad processor. So for teams who want to main quick game, Fields' play style just won't translate well"

Quote by Benjamin Solek in the comments section of the same article.

Good thing the 49ers offense is nothing like that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
"One thing I didn't get in here but wish I did: I don't think Fields is a great quick game passer for the same reasons (willing to sit on Read 1, slow motion) people think he's a bad processor. So for teams who want to main quick game, Fields' play style just won't translate well"

Quote by Benjamin Solek in the comments section of the same article.

Good thing the 49ers offense is nothing like that.

Show me the passing game percentages then..

Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
Show me the passing game percentages then..

I don't want a poor man Ryan Tannehill as my franchise quarterback. We must and can do better.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The danger with focusing on physical traits too much at QB is that you're more likely to get Paxton Lynch than Justin Herbert. Trust, I'm a traits guy too at every other position. The problem at QB is that intangibles play a bigger role than any other position on the field, and we can't quantify intangibles, which is why I'm not losing my s**t over any of these guys. There's a good chance that non of these dudes turn into franchise-changing QBs.

Agreed, however, Fields is not JUST a traits guy. He is highly productive. He has the pedigree of being the top recruit and dealing with expectations from his teenage years, playing multiple seasons in multiple systems, playing on Nationally televised games, he has dealt with adversity on and off the field (even won a game where his team and his coaching staff were out due to covid), he has leadership qualities, and he is a winner. Not to mention he allegedly scored high on the processing info test.

The negatives are he spends too much time in the pocket, which in my opinion is a plus for someone who runs a 4.4. Kaepernick would bail on the plays too early, shoot, even Jimmy would do his little pocket dance before he needed too. I like the fact that Fields is looking for someone to get open and isn't afraid of pressure.

The other negative is his baseball throwing motion and elongated release and maybe throwing with not enough touch. The fact that he is still accurate in all levels means this shouldn't be much of a problem.

Either way, I would argue that most of his flaws are fixable with coaching and hard work. The question I have for you is if he doesn't improve, what parts of Kyle's offense could he not do that Jimmy could?