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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

Yeah he is more of a pure pocket passer than people think. Great arm strength and great accuracy. The stigma of slow processing might hurt him, which is why I personally don't think shanahan drafts him.

Agree all around. I have my concerns on Mac and Lance too but it's these I'm concerned about with Fields and I think he'll end up with a lot of stripped fumbles and his 3.11 and 3.18 TTT when blitzed scares the hell out of me. That 3.11 matches the longest in the NFL currently in Jalen Hurts. I see him in that Russell Wilson territory of 2.97 where there's a lot of busts and some boom too. Lots of negative yards on sacks and 3 and outs but some special runs and off schedule throws. But a clunky offense overall.

Kyle wants all his guys under 2.55 (top 5) every year. That's where KYLE has the control. After that, it's off schedule and out of his hands.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 10, 2021 at 2:04 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agree all around. I have my concerns on Mac and Lance too but it's these I'm concerned about with Fields and I think he'll end up with a lot of stripped fumbles and his 3.11 and 3.18 TTT when blitzed scares the hell out of me. That 3.11 matches the longest in the NFL currently in Jalen Hurts. I see him in that Russell Wilson territory of 2.97 where there's a lot of busts and some boom too. Lots of negative yards on sacks and 3 and outs but some special runs and off schedule throws. But a clunky offense overall.

Kyle wants all his guys under 2.55 (top 5) every year. That's where KYLE has the control. After that, it's off schedule and out of his hands.

Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

Yeah he is more of a pure pocket passer than people think. Great arm strength and great accuracy. The stigma of slow processing might hurt him, which is why I personally don't think shanahan drafts him.

Agree all around. I have my concerns on Mac and Lance too but it's these I'm concerned about with Fields and I think he'll end up with a lot of stripped fumbles and his 3.11 and 3.18 TTT when blitzed scares the hell out of me. That 3.11 matches the longest in the NFL currently in Jalen Hurts. I see him in that Russell Wilson territory of 2.97 where there's a lot of busts and some boom too. Lots of negative yards on sacks and 3 and outs but some special runs and off schedule throws. But a clunky offense overall.

Kyle wants all his guys under 2.55

Maybe, but last season he only had 2 fumbles with 1 lost despite having a sieve of an o-line and taking quite a few hits.

It's also a massive assumption that he'd hold the ball that long in this offense just because he did it in the OSU offense.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Apr 10, 2021 at 2:08 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

Yeah he is more of a pure pocket passer than people think. Great arm strength and great accuracy. The stigma of slow processing might hurt him, which is why I personally don't think shanahan drafts him.

Agree all around. I have my concerns on Mac and Lance too but it's these I'm concerned about with Fields and I think he'll end up with a lot of stripped fumbles and his 3.11 and 3.18 TTT when blitzed scares the hell out of me. That 3.11 matches the longest in the NFL currently in Jalen Hurts. I see him in that Russell Wilson territory of 2.97 where there's a lot of busts and some boom too. Lots of negative yards on sacks and 3 and outs but some special runs and off schedule throws. But a clunky offense overall.

Kyle wants all his guys under 2.55

Maybe, but last season he only had 2 fumbles with 1 lost despite having a sieve of an o-line and taking quite a few hits.

It's also a massive assumption that he'd hold the ball that long in this offense just because he did it in the OSU offense.

I'm talking about DE's in the NFL coming around the edge with the way he holds it and wind up. Easy to swipe at it with the ball exposed out like that. Hard to correct by now but if he can, that'll help a lot.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 10, 2021 at 2:17 PM ]
Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agree all around. I have my concerns on Mac and Lance too but it's these I'm concerned about with Fields and I think he'll end up with a lot of stripped fumbles and his 3.11 and 3.18 TTT when blitzed scares the hell out of me. That 3.11 matches the longest in the NFL currently in Jalen Hurts. I see him in that Russell Wilson territory of 2.97 where there's a lot of busts and some boom too. Lots of negative yards on sacks and 3 and outs but some special runs and off schedule throws. But a clunky offense overall.

Kyle wants all his guys under 2.55 (top 5) every year. That's where KYLE has the control. After that, it's off schedule and out of his hands.

This right here is why I'm in the "Trust Shanahan" camp when it comes to Fields. If Shanny wants him, I'll be stoked that he thinks he can coach him up...

If Shanahan doesn't want him, I'll understand totally based on what you laid out in your post.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Fields isn't at all, but he does take awhile to read the defense from the pocket from what I've seen

Yes, that's a valid criticism that shows up on the tape. But slow processing and being a one-read QB are different things. The claim that he's a one-read-and-run QB is even dumber. The dude doesn't run enough.

Fans, not evaluators, keep perpetuating this b******t about a one-read QB, and then are upset that it's out there.

That's not really what's happening. He is reading the defense just fine, he's waiting on the routes that OSU uses to develop.

You can see him get to the right read and stay on it until it is ready

I think getting in an offense with quicker routes will help that along with getting him to trust that the receiver is going to make the right read and be where he expects him to be, to let it go before the break.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If anything Herbert is the example Fields fans should be pointing too saying look at how people overlooked him for some minor flaws and then he arrived and won RotY

Exactly...talent matters at the highest level in sports.

I don't even know what all these "flaws" are regarding Fields anyway.

fun fact on TDN latest breakdown of Fields and the BS progressions stuff...

Let's take Jones as a foil to Fields. While Fields has been criticized for his rate of attempts beyond his first read, I charted Fields as attempting more passes beyond his first read than any of the other top quarterbacks in the class; it was Jones, who is regularly credited for his processing speed, smart eyes, and decision making, who had the fewest attempts beyond his first read. In terms of performance after that first read, Jones was again remarkably worse.

Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder why Jones is the one that often gets labeled as a pocket field general that slices and dices the defense with pure mental acuity and Fields is often labeled as a lazy one read and run QB.

I would not take any of that stuff as fact. The guys who are saying that have no idea what Fields is running or what Mac is running, they have no idea what the playbook is asking for....they don't know anything...its simply a guess....and the vast majority of them have an agenda.

If Jones was a 1 read QB like the counter narrative is propagating, he would BY FAR be the best QB in this draft. If you take "the numbers" they are spouting off, you are dealing with a QB that completed 80+% of his passes with the best efficiency in the history of college football and went for 4500 yards and 40 TDs in a shortened season on his FIRST READ.

If Jones could do that as a 1 read QB, what the hell would he do with pro coaching and access to multiple reads. You could say the same thing for Fields, if Fields was a 1 read QB...he would be ungodly in a pro system with good coaching.

The problem is, we know the coaches from both systems, and based on other QBs who have been in those systems, there is NO WAY they are 1 read. Unless your willing to suspend belief and go with the narrative that two of the best QBs these systems have ever produced put up the numbers they did at a massive disadvantage to the QBs that came before them.

The Narrative simply isn't true.

If it was tho....damn.....that would be two VERY bad ass QBs at the Pro level.....
Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agree all around. I have my concerns on Mac and Lance too but it's these I'm concerned about with Fields and I think he'll end up with a lot of stripped fumbles and his 3.11 and 3.18 TTT when blitzed scares the hell out of me. That 3.11 matches the longest in the NFL currently in Jalen Hurts. I see him in that Russell Wilson territory of 2.97 where there's a lot of busts and some boom too. Lots of negative yards on sacks and 3 and outs but some special runs and off schedule throws. But a clunky offense overall.

Kyle wants all his guys under 2.55 (top 5) every year. That's where KYLE has the control. After that, it's off schedule and out of his hands.

This right here is why I'm in the "Trust Shanahan" camp when it comes to Fields. If Shanny wants him, I'll be stoked that he thinks he can coach him up...

If Shanahan doesn't want him, I'll understand totally based on what you laid out in your post.

My thoughts exactly. I'm at peace with whomever he chooses and I know he'll get the most out of him especially because he'll be so heavily invested in him. I just hope it's the right one.
19 days until we draft Mac Jones!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

Every team in the NFL would be happy to have Russell, warts and all.
There's plenty of tape review with former nfl qbs like JTO and simms breaking down these guys. For all of the Mac hate he's actually a really good prospect with some question marks. For all of the fields love he's also a really good prospect with question marks. There's a reason no pedigree Zack Wilson was able to come out of nowhere and go ahead of Fields. A lot of questionable to bad decisions on the tape. Also some deep ball accuracy issues. It's all out there on YouTube. We'd probably be better off in this forum picking a YouTube breakdown and debating it frame by frame. At least then we'd all have the same point of reference. Too many generalizations and false narrative both positive and negative for both of these guys.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

Every team in the NFL would be happy to have Russell, warts and all.

LOL. Russell Wilson has been sacked for 2,572 yards in his career.

Sure, his last second heroics and magic but I wasn't referencing that.
Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
Show me the passing game percentages then..

how about you show me the passing game percentages or whatever the means...
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

33-15 record the last 3 seasons with Wilson averaging 35 TDs and 8 INTs.
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