Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

33-15 record the last 3 seasons with Wilson averaging 35 TDs and 8 INTs.

K.

30 of this 33 wins are a clunky offense for 58 minutes with 2 minute heroics.

But I'm more interested in QB's who can win Championships, not regular seasons.

Also, I wasn't comparing the two directly...just the negative parts of Russell's game and style.

K.

One in a row.

Only current QBs with Multiple Super Bowls wins are Ben Roethlisberger who last won in 2008 and Tom Brady.

Hmmm. Pocket passers 2 > 1 and that 1 was just along for the ride.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
OMG people are still talking about TTT like it means anything

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jobiwon:
Brian Baldinger: Cue the commissioner: "With the third pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select Mac Jones, quarterback, Alabama." No. 3 overall might be far higher up the board than Jones thought he'd be a few months ago, but Patrick Mahomes never thought he would be the 10th overall pick in 2017 either. If you look at Shanahan's history — going back to working with Matt Schaub in Houston, Kirk Cousins in Washington, and Matt Ryan in Atlanta — his quarterbacks are all physically comparable to Jones. Heck, you can throw in Brian Hoyer in Cleveland for a year, as well. Jones doesn't need to be Superman for San Francisco; he just needs to be a smart, tough, efficient thrower. And in my opinion, no one in college football was better than Jones in 2020.

No one's offense is that well designed that you would only want that when you have options to get better.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

33-15 record the last 3 seasons with Wilson averaging 35 TDs and 8 INTs.

K.

30 of this 33 wins are a clunky offense for 58 minutes with 2 minute heroics.

But I'm more interested in QB's who can win Championships, not regular seasons.

Also, I wasn't comparing the two directly...just the negative parts of Russell's game and style.

K.

One in a row.

Only current QBs with Multiple Super Bowls wins are Ben Roethlisberger who last won in 2008 and Tom Brady.

Hmmm. Pocket passers 2 > 1 and that 1 was just along for the ride.

I hope you guys realize how silly this argument is. Tom Brady won SB against Wilson due to a massive coaching error from Pete Carroll and a huge defensive play by Butler. Had Pete Carroll handed off to Lynch - it would have been a different result. Very much like 49ers vs. Ravens Super Bowl.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

33-15 record the last 3 seasons with Wilson averaging 35 TDs and 8 INTs.

K.

30 of this 33 wins are a clunky offense for 58 minutes with 2 minute heroics.

But I'm more interested in QB's who can win Championships, not regular seasons.

Also, I wasn't comparing the two directly...just the negative parts of Russell's game and style.

K.

One in a row.

Only current QBs with Multiple Super Bowls wins are Ben Roethlisberger who last won in 2008 and Tom Brady.

Hmmm. Pocket passers 2 > 1 and that 1 was just along for the ride.

I hope you guys realize how silly this argument is. Tom Brady won SB against Wilson due to a massive coaching error from Pete Carroll and a huge defensive play by Butler. Had Pete Carroll handed off to Lynch - it would have been a different result. Very much like 49ers vs. Ravens Super Bowl.

Or if we had interior pass protection too. Or if the defense didn't give up 21 points in 5 minutes. We could do this all day. But if you want to defend Russell Wilson, by all means.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's a massive difference in style of play when you start getting above the 2.7's.

Allegedly.

You just hit the nail on the head. TTT is much more about style of play than talent. Why would you evaluate a QB based on the offense their coach wants to run?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Yeah and no one wants a Russell Wilson type in the NFL. No one.

Nobody wants the negative parts I was referencing. You know, the ones that only take him so far annually.

Every team in the NFL would be happy to have Russell, warts and all.

LOL. Russell Wilson has been sacked for 2,572 yards in his career.

Sure, his last second heroics and magic but I wasn't referencing that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rissei:
Per ESPN's next-gen stats, Ryan's 2016 TTT was 2.64, which was slightly longer-than-average.

The 49ers wanted Deshaun Watson, whose 2020 TTT was 2.85.

There's a massive difference in style of play when you start getting above the 2.7's.

Allegedly.

OMG people are still talking about TTT like it means anything

It does if you understand style of play.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
You know you're going to hit your first read more often if you can read the pre snap more accurately and your post snap read more quickly. Mac.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's a massive difference in style of play when you start getting above the 2.7's.

Allegedly.

You just hit the nail on the head. TTT is much more about style of play than talent. Why would you evaluate a QB based on the offense their coach wants to run?

Styles are hard to break. Can a guy who's used to running around so much his TTT goes well past 3 be a fit for an offense that requires his QB's to process and deliver in under 2.55? Can an immobile QB run the plays Kyle likes to run? Style is important to philosophy and play calling.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
I'd take the bet that a QB can change style based on what he is asked to do before a QB can gain physical traits he doesn't currently possess.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
I'd take the bet that a QB can change style based on what he is asked to do before a QB can gain physical traits he doesn't currently possess.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude get over TTT it's the most pointless stat ever

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's a massive difference in style of play when you start getting above the 2.7's.

Allegedly.

You just hit the nail on the head. TTT is much more about style of play than talent. Why would you evaluate a QB based on the offense their coach wants to run?

Styles are hard to break. Can a guy who's used to running around so much his TTT goes well past 3 be a fit for an offense that requires his QB's to process and deliver in under 2.55? Can an immobile QB run the plays Kyle likes to run? Style is important to philosophy and play calling.

I'd take the bet that a QB can change style based on what he is asked to do before a QB can gain physical traits he doesn't currently possess.