Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
None of these people were the number 3 pick in the NFL draft. Which another team traded 2 first round picks for. The kid plated in a system and learned it pretty good.

I hope he gets in a good situation in the nfl. My point is, we've got folks defended the position of moving up to get him. We get too hyped up! I watch college football a little. I realize sometimes a little more goes into it than just who can play. But my point was I'm tired of this processing crap as an excuse. Even when I see film of how good he is, I'll see him throw to the best man, not the open man. Throwing into double coverage! And it just so happens his man out jumps and out runs the opponent every time.

Calling it what it is, he a late first rounder, early second!
if he has time to learn on a decent team, he'll be a good backup.

Do you want me to go to top picks because I can. Last year's #1 QB had to transfer to LSU because he wasn't good enough to start at OSU. Thurman Thomas started over Barry Sanders. Kelley Winslow started over Jeremy Shockey. As already been pointed out a hundred times Justin Fields himself had to transfer because Fromm was going to be the starter.

Not too mention Jones himself kept a five star recruit on the bench all season this year. It goes both ways

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You all know Kyle is going to troll the s**t out of you by drafting Mac, Mills and Mond.

He might just troll you NC and leave this draft with zero picks made towards the oline.

TBF, I'm pretty used to that. I've had years of conditioning.

Maybe if we draft Mac Jones, he can gain a few more pounds and take McGlintchy's spot.

We know he's already heavier. I like where this is going.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
None of these people were the number 3 pick in the NFL draft. Which another team traded 2 first round picks for. The kid plated in a system and learned it pretty good.

I hope he gets in a good situation in the nfl. My point is, we've got folks defended the position of moving up to get him. We get too hyped up! I watch college football a little. I realize sometimes a little more goes into it than just who can play. But my point was I'm tired of this processing crap as an excuse. Even when I see film of how good he is, I'll see him throw to the best man, not the open man. Throwing into double coverage! And it just so happens his man out jumps and out runs the opponent every time.

Calling it what it is, he a late first rounder, early second!
if he has time to learn on a decent team, he'll be a good backup.

Do you want me to go to top picks because I can. Last year's #1 QB had to transfer to LSU because he wasn't good enough to start at OSU. Thurman Thomas started over Barry Sanders. Kelley Winslow started over Jeremy Shockey. As already been pointed out a hundred times Justin Fields himself had to transfer because Fromm was going to be the starter.

Not too mention Jones himself kept a five star recruit on the bench all season this year. It goes both ways

The #1 overall recruit in the nation. I wanted Bryce Young to start and was waiting for Jones to relinquish it....but he never did. He was as close to perfect as a qb could be in cfb. He and the offense was so good there was not one point in the season where it felt like we would lose a game.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The funniest part was watching the anything-but-Jimmy crowd pivot to anything-but-Mac.

Not that hard to get....Jones offers the same thing Jimmy does. He's just cheaper, but actually not even really if you factor the other rookie contracts you have to give up for a system QB

Oh I get why. I just think it's hilarious. Ya'll gonna burn yourselves out trying to speak this out of existence.

Meh. You said Jimmy was just fine as the QB, yet the coaches disagreed. So the "crowd" you are mocking is 1-0 VS your sentiment at this point.

The best you can do with winning BigMac is tie it up,.... and it's only after being horribly wrong about how the coaches view the QB spot.

And how is it others burning themselves out when you are 4th in # of posts in this thread? Lol... Your fingers have been extremely busy here, sir Command.

Just make a good point speaking your piece. Or not.

1. I'm not emotionally invested. You can't get burned out with that stance. It's just entertainment for me watching so many lose themselves in this.
2. I think you're confusing the "fine" OL crowd with my take on Jimmy.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The #1 overall recruit in the nation. I wanted Bryce Young to start and was waiting for Jones to relinquish it....but he never did. He was as close to perfect as a qb could be in cfb. He and the offense was so good there was not one point in the season where it felt like we would lose a game.

And that translates to the NFL how exactly?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
Read my statement, the comparison is that no one gave up 2 years of first round picks for them.

PS He transferred because Fromm was not better than him.

Tua and Hurts may not be better than Jones too. Jones had better numbers and won the title.

And the trading up part matters because I don't think Mac is worth the 3rd pick and 3 1sts but if this were Burrows you don't think we'd trade up for him even though he couldn't cut it at OSU? End of the day it's what Shanny values him at.

Oh they would trade up for him.

Joe Burrows was worth it. If this were about him, yes I'd be pumped. Scrambling, off script throws, laser arm yes. Macorkel Jones is not Joe Burrow, and he ain't Joe Montana.

PS Hurst and Tua were both better.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The #1 overall recruit in the nation. I wanted Bryce Young to start and was waiting for Jones to relinquish it....but he never did. He was as close to perfect as a qb could be in cfb. He and the offense was so good there was not one point in the season where it felt like we would lose a game.

And that translates to the NFL how exactly?

Are you serious right now? At least TRY to be objective some.

He sat and learned and waited his turn. And when his number was called, he was fully prepared...so much so that Steve Sarkisian himself said, he got so good he opened up the offense and gave him a freedom at the line that he's never given a QB before.

That's called mental preparation and execution growth.

Now, how would you project that to the current 49ers scenario?

Originally posted by NCommand:
1. I'm not emotionally invested. You can't get burned out with that stance. It's just entertainment for me watching so many lose themselves in this.
2. I think you're confusing the "fine" OL crowd with my take on Jimmy.

I just find it fun pushing my opinion. I know I'm not changing any opinions. I do like valid arguments to what I pose. I am uniquely gifted at editing my outlook. I just need something valid to get me off the ledge. I'm not getting. Only references to Joe Montana. 🙁

Originally posted by random49er:
Meh. You said Jimmy was just fine as the QB, yet the coaches disagreed. So the "crowd" you are mocking is 1-0 VS your sentiment at this point.

The best you can do with winning BigMac is tie it up,.... and it's only after being horribly wrong about how the coaches view the QB spot.

Just make a good point speaking your piece. Or not.

We did run out a QB and coach during our last SB run too. I think this is more Jed's aggressive mentality coming thru. Pushing to get a franchise QB that we can rely on. The question is Lynch and Shanny will make this pick and we're going to find out who Shanny is here. Does he really prefer his system and the Kirk Cousins type QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The funniest part was watching the anything-but-Jimmy crowd pivot to anything-but-Mac.

Not that hard to get....Jones offers the same thing Jimmy does. He's just cheaper, but actually not even really if you factor the other rookie contracts you have to give up for a system QB

Jimmy and Mac are not really that comparable as players though.

As prospects coming out of college Jimmy was a second-round draft pick. While Mac will be taken 3rd overall

Even if you try to compare Jimmy G now. A QB who has been in the league for 7 years to Mac who has not even been drafted. There are some things Mac clearly already does better than Jimmy.

The first one being Mac Throws the deep ball extremely well. Something Jimmy has been just awful at.

The second one in my opinion is that Mac hits his running back checkdown out of the backfield. Jimmy really seems to struggle with this for whatever reason.

Just because they are both pocket passers does not make them equal. It is like saying Fields is the same as Kap. It is just nonsense. IMO Mac is an upgrade over Jimmy his rookie season. I also see him improving over his career from his rookie season. Just like you would expect from any Rookie QB.

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
Read my statement, the comparison is that no one gave up 2 years of first round picks for them.

PS He transferred because Fromm was not better than him.

Tua and Hurts may not be better than Jones too. Jones had better numbers and won the title.

And the trading up part matters because I don't think Mac is worth the 3rd pick and 3 1sts but if this were Burrows you don't think we'd trade up for him even though he couldn't cut it at OSU? End of the day it's what Shanny values him at.

Oh they would trade up for him.

Joe Burrows was worth it. If this were about him, yes I'd be pumped. Scrambling, off script throws, laser arm yes. Macorkel Jones is not Joe Burrow, and he ain't Joe Montana.

PS Hurst and Tua were both better.

Look at the touch of montana's throw, in stride. That is magic right there. Trey lance my ass.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
hmmm I could have sworn I saw it...regardless him being wrong about Herbert doesn't preclude that he's wrong about McCorkle either.

edit: it was a young vs Bosa video I believe. Basically saying Bosa is better.

You might be thinking of Brett Kollman. He had a Bosa draft video and a video about Buck being legit in year 2.

I'm not going to get too heavily invested in the QB debate again. If Shanny picks Mac/Fields/Lance or Wilson drops, I'll support the choice and not be angry if we overpaid.

Back in 2005 when we had the top pick no one would trade us for it,and it was Smith vs Rodgers. I think most on this board like Smith more because he was smart and athletic. A bunch of zoners hated Rodgers for how he held the ball in college (2 hands) and how that wouldn't work in the pros. The visual is what people couldn't get over. Rodgers unlearned it, and he turned out alright. One became a good starter and the other a future HoFer.

Matt Maiocco just said on a podcast that all his insider tea leaves are "HEAVILY" pointing towards Mac Jones.

He's got Adam Schefter (ironic?) on his current pod and AS once again confirmed he feels it's Mac. This time he said they are still "open" to everything doing their due diligence and really like Lance and Mac but if you asked him today, it's Mac.

He said the smokescreen idea is off...no need for it.

They owe it to the "process" to gather as much info as possible until the pick is made.

John and Kyle were totally on the same page on their guy to move up to 3. He also believes they fully plan on keeping Jimmy with a long long shot of a trade for the right deal.

To AS's credit, he said inside, the NFL is way higher on Mac than the fans are stating what he's hearing, Mac is "elite in accuracy, processing and leadership."

PFF

"What will that look like without first reads running wide open, though? There are a couple of ways to judge that. The first is with PFF's decision charting that gave him a 73.8 passing grade when forced to go beyond his first read the past two seasons — the lowest of any quarterback in the top five here."

I could swear someone said this part of his game wasn't bad according to Simms.

The tape backs it up. He is not good unless his first read is open.