Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I understand some people's disappointment in drafting jones, but the haters are so irrational when it comes to evaluating him. It's like he isn't even worth a 5th round pick. The guy will be a good starter for years.

2nd or 3rd round pick.

#3 overall pick

Undrafted FA.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I understand some people's disappointment in drafting jones, but the haters are so irrational when it comes to evaluating him. It's like he isn't even worth a 5th round pick. The guy will be a good starter for years.

I gave him the same draft grade as Solomon Thomas. A 2nd or early 3rd at best

As I have watch the last 30 years of football. I have learned one thing. Listen to all the majority of people talking and saying this is the direction, then go the opposite direction. Why you ask, they are experts at picking the wrong things. No I didn't save all the post or have every thing documented but I do remember. The majority said this or that, fail. We passed on so many people for the popular choice. Fail. The moment the coaches listen to outside advice they betray themselves. Social media is great right? Yeah what has it ever made better? Only people's butts on the line is coach, GM and owner. Vote people so you can say your right. Vote so you can say coach was wrong. Vote on something that doesn't cost you anything and if you are really crafty you can spin it all to your right either way. Me... I'll support the team and coaches and hope they hit pay dirt. We all win that way. But don't for a minute act like you all haven't made bad choices or judged something wrong. We have had some coaches and management make bad choices but it always destroys them. No need to act like you know better or are smarter. At best it's all a 50/50 best guess crap shoot. Let's hope the coach wins that coin toss.
Go 9ERS !!

Originally posted by DieHard49erMan:
As I have watch the last 30 years of football. I have learned one thing. Listen to all the majority of people talking and saying this is the direction, then go the opposite direction. Why you ask, they are experts at picking the wrong things. No I didn't save all the post or have every thing documented but I do remember. The majority said this or that, fail. We passed on so many people for the popular choice. Fail. The moment the coaches listen to outside advice they betray themselves. Social media is great right? Yeah what has it ever made better? Only people's butts on the line is coach, GM and owner. Vote people so you can say your right. Vote so you can say coach was wrong. Vote on something that doesn't cost you anything and if you are really crafty you can spin it all to your right either way. Me... I'll support the team and coaches and hope they hit pay dirt. We all win that way. But don't for a minute act like you all haven't made bad choices or judged something wrong. We have had some coaches and management make bad choices but it always destroys them. No need to act like you know better or are smarter. At best it's all a 50/50 best guess crap shoot. Let's hope the coach wins that coin toss.
Go 9ERS !!

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I understand some people's disappointment in drafting jones, but the haters are so irrational when it comes to evaluating him. It's like he isn't even worth a 5th round pick. The guy will be a good starter for years.

I gave him the same draft grade as Solomon Thomas. A 2nd or early 3rd at best

Your being too generous - Solomon is a 5th/6th at best.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Here is a good video that shows Mac Jones is a better athlete than people think and not the Statue QB people try to claim he is. It is a compilation of highlights of him running with the football, Throwing on the run, Evading the rush, and buying more time with his legs to throw.

Can we stop posting this video? Its now the 4th time someone tried to use it to show Mac Jones is a scrambler. I mean one "highlight" was a ball getting batted and he catches it and loses 2 yards.

I wasn't aware it had been posted before, but I am sure I will post it again when someone tries to say Mac is a statue. Because it clearly shows he can move with the football. I would agree that some of the clips in that video shouldn't even be there. If I had made the video I would have cut out a few clips in there as they were really NOT that impressive. Maybe the guy was trying to make the video longer, I don't know why he added some of the clips. Jones will never be a running QB but there are some good clips in that video that show he has the athletism to scramble and the ability to throw well on the move.

It doesn't really prove much. I'll show you a highlight reel of Phillip Rivers running the ball that looks a lot like that and he's as much of a statue as anyone in the NFL. I once saw his running style described as being like a baby giraffe.

You have got to be high off your ass if you think that silly little Philip Rivers video looks remotely like anything in the Mac Jones video. That is some rich s**t right there.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and I'll just add, that I think, at least in Kyle's offense, a QB using his athleticism to buy time in the pocket is much more valuable than being able to run for yardage on the ground.

One way to use a QB's athleticism is the Roman Offense with Lamar Jackson. But the guys that are winning super bowls are the guys that stay in the pocket.

Thats the beauty of fields: he is a pocket passer who also has elite athleticism. Why would you settle for Mac??

yeah can you imagine what our offense would look like if Jones was back there instead of Fields or Lance, and Mcglinchy has some bad games again?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Is this the go-to video to combat Mac Jones Rush highlights or something? Must be since two people posted it back to back lol. That rivers video looks like it is in slow motion and I am not sure if it actually is or not. So I don't know why people are combating that video with this.

Let me say again. I don't think Mac will ever be a running QB. One of the things I hear most of MaC. Is that he is just going to play from within the pocket and will need an amazing offensive line to be successful. The video I posted shows he can move the pocket. Throw both moving to his right and left. Even enough mobility to evade free rushers. use his legs to buy extra time. And yes also every once in a blue moon take off and pick up a few positive yards instead of potentially taking a sack.

Mac isn't Marino but he isn't even on Jimmy G's level of athleticism (pre ACL)

You're right. He's a better athlete than Jimmy, according to the drills.. Faster 40 yard dash (4.72/4.68 vs. 4.97), better vertical leap (32" vs. 30.5"), same 3-cone (7.04).

Seriously though, I'm not suggesting that he's a "better" athlete, but can we stop with this hyperbole not grounded in reality that Mac Jones is some potato with legs?

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and I'll just add, that I think, at least in Kyle's offense, a QB using his athleticism to buy time in the pocket is much more valuable than being able to run for yardage on the ground.

One way to use a QB's athleticism is the Roman Offense with Lamar Jackson. But the guys that are winning super bowls are the guys that stay in the pocket.

Thats the beauty of fields: he is a pocket passer who also has elite athleticism. Why would you settle for Mac??

yeah can you imagine what our offense would look like if Jones was back there instead of Fields or Lance, and Mcglinchy has some bad games again?

I think Mac will struggle if the OL can't protect him. At least Fields can make a play with his legs if there's penetration.

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and I'll just add, that I think, at least in Kyle's offense, a QB using his athleticism to buy time in the pocket is much more valuable than being able to run for yardage on the ground.

One way to use a QB's athleticism is the Roman Offense with Lamar Jackson. But the guys that are winning super bowls are the guys that stay in the pocket.

Thats the beauty of fields: he is a pocket passer who also has elite athleticism. Why would you settle for Mac??

yeah can you imagine what our offense would look like if Jones was back there instead of Fields or Lance, and Mcglinchy has some bad games again?

I don't think it would be as bad as you think, not if Mac is able to find the hot read / open receiver and get rid of the ball quickly.

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Is this the go-to video to combat Mac Jones Rush highlights or something? Must be since two people posted it back to back lol. That rivers video looks like it is in slow motion and I am not sure if it actually is or not. So I don't know why people are combating that video with this.

Let me say again. I don't think Mac will ever be a running QB. One of the things I hear most of MaC. Is that he is just going to play from within the pocket and will need an amazing offensive line to be successful. The video I posted shows he can move the pocket. Throw both moving to his right and left. Even enough mobility to evade free rushers. use his legs to buy extra time. And yes also every once in a blue moon take off and pick up a few positive yards instead of potentially taking a sack.

Mac isn't Marino but he isn't even on Jimmy G's level of athleticism (pre ACL)

You're right. He's a better athlete than Jimmy, according to the drills.. Faster 40 yard dash (4.72/4.68 vs. 4.97), better vertical leap (32" vs. 30.5"), same 3-cone (7.04).

Seriously though, I'm not suggesting that he's a "better" athlete, but can we stop with this hyperbole not grounded in reality that Mac Jones is some potato with legs?

I'll give him the vertical, but this 40 time needs to stop being mentioned, it was hand timed and I've heard people report everything from 4.68 to 4.86.

He's not a statue by any means, and he's functionally athletic (unlike Rivers that was posted above) but let's not start trying to make it seem like a positive trait, when only Kyle Trask is slower.

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and I'll just add, that I think, at least in Kyle's offense, a QB using his athleticism to buy time in the pocket is much more valuable than being able to run for yardage on the ground.

One way to use a QB's athleticism is the Roman Offense with Lamar Jackson. But the guys that are winning super bowls are the guys that stay in the pocket.

Thats the beauty of fields: he is a pocket passer who also has elite athleticism. Why would you settle for Mac??

yeah can you imagine what our offense would look like if Jones was back there instead of Fields or Lance, and Mcglinchy has some bad games again?

I don't think it would be as bad as you think, not if Mac is able to find the hot read / open receiver and get rid of the ball quickly.

Except that the number suggest he isn't especially good when having to come off his first read.

Jones strength was his pre-snap reads. However, when that read wasn't there things didn't always turn out as well.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and I'll just add, that I think, at least in Kyle's offense, a QB using his athleticism to buy time in the pocket is much more valuable than being able to run for yardage on the ground.

One way to use a QB's athleticism is the Roman Offense with Lamar Jackson. But the guys that are winning super bowls are the guys that stay in the pocket.

Thats the beauty of fields: he is a pocket passer who also has elite athleticism. Why would you settle for Mac??

yeah can you imagine what our offense would look like if Jones was back there instead of Fields or Lance, and Mcglinchy has some bad games again?

I don't think it would be as bad as you think, not if Mac is able to find the hot read / open receiver and get rid of the ball quickly.

Except that the number suggest he isn't especially good when having to come off his first read.

Jones strength was his pre-snap reads. However, when that read wasn't there things didn't always turn out as well.

I suggest watching the JTO QB school break downs of Mac Jones. Lots of cut-ups in there of Mac going through progressions post-snap and hitting his 4th or 5th read.

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and I'll just add, that I think, at least in Kyle's offense, a QB using his athleticism to buy time in the pocket is much more valuable than being able to run for yardage on the ground.

One way to use a QB's athleticism is the Roman Offense with Lamar Jackson. But the guys that are winning super bowls are the guys that stay in the pocket.

Thats the beauty of fields: he is a pocket passer who also has elite athleticism. Why would you settle for Mac??

yeah can you imagine what our offense would look like if Jones was back there instead of Fields or Lance, and Mcglinchy has some bad games again?

I don't think it would be as bad as you think, not if Mac is able to find the hot read / open receiver and get rid of the ball quickly.

Except that the number suggest he isn't especially good when having to come off his first read.

Jones strength was his pre-snap reads. However, when that read wasn't there things didn't always turn out as well.

I suggest watching the JTO QB school break downs of Mac Jones. Lots of cut-ups in there of Mac going through progressions post-snap and hitting his 4th or 5th read.

You should watch them I think.



This video is full of him not getting past his first read, missing throws, passing up on the best choice, inaccurate throws, late throws, etc.

He's not very good.

Mac Jones will be a hall of fame QB and will win superbowls with the 49ers