Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I wrote about the differences between Tua Tagovailoa and Mac Jones as college passers, and how those differences affected the offensive scheme in Alabama.

And how no offense in my charting history has helped a QB more than 2020 Bama helped Mac Jones. https://t.co/TP5G0lyVEF

— Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) April 12, 2021

(+ had the best OL in the nation and maybe of the last 5 years)

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) April 12, 2021

I think that's something everyone already suspected, but it's nice to see it confirmed.

Put him on another team and he's probably a mid round pick at best.

Originally posted by krizay:
Been out of this thread for a while. What's this week's reason to hate him?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I wrote about the differences between Tua Tagovailoa and Mac Jones as college passers, and how those differences affected the offensive scheme in Alabama.

And how no offense in my charting history has helped a QB more than 2020 Bama helped Mac Jones. https://t.co/TP5G0lyVEF

— Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) April 12, 2021

(+ had the best OL in the nation and maybe of the last 5 years)

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) April 12, 2021

I think that's something everyone already suspected, but it's nice to see it confirmed.

Put him on another team and he's probably a mid round pick at best.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I understand some people's disappointment in drafting jones, but the haters are so irrational when it comes to evaluating him. It's like he isn't even worth a 5th round pick. The guy will be a good starter for years.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick
Jones - Good decision making, hits multiple reads, great ball placement but can be mechanically inconsistent on longballs (dips his shoulder) which causes him to come up short on some longballs. He has the arm strength to make all the throws, but isnt gonna scramble and hit a 60 yarder on the run. But then says no OC draws up 60 yards in the air type plays, if you can hit guys at 50 yards in stride that is what is more important. His criticism of other criticisms... the mobility issue, said it's not as big a deal cause with the quick release and his quick decision making he does a good job dumping the ball off to the RB or throws it away to avoid taking the sack.

When I watch Jones, I really don't see this consistently. Does he have some really nice throws that are very well placed? Yes. But more often his throws are short or behind guys. Throws that should be out in front of the receiver, but the WR has to turn his body back toward the QB to catch. They usually get completed because Smith/Waddle/Metchie have 2-3 yards of separation (or the DB has fallen down), but in the NFL, a lot of these passes would be broken up.

To be fair, that shows up on everyones film. It's also what makes it hard to judge as well... these guys are college QBs not pros. As much as we want them to be perfect out the gate they are all going to have bad decisions, bad throws, etc. on film to point at. Again take my opinion with a grain of salt but I think Mac seems to place the ball where guys can keep running with it the most where as Fields has that arm strength to where he is just as accurate but puts the ball "on" his guys more often (compared to a foot or two in front).

But that also could be due to the style of thrower they are, like Mac doesnt have a rocket so he throws a more catchable/touch type ball where his guys can run into the catch where as Fields has that rocket and drives the ball into the receiver on similar throws. Both styles have pros and cons, Mac will really have to rely on a quick release, prove his anticipation and knowledge of the defense to keep defenders from having time to attack the ball while its in the air. Fields on the other hand can drive the ball into guys but will have to keep an eye on floating LBs because those throws dont have the same height and if its not on their receiver, the velocity could lead to more tipped balls going into defenders hands. Both styles can get the ball where it needs to go. Just up to those guys to use their other skills like anticipation or reading through the disguised defense to minimize the risk of their style at the NFL level.

just another reason why evaluating is so hard cause anyone can nitpick these guys into oblivion and make all 3 QB prospects look undeserving of being a FQB.

Sure, they will all have warts. But, we're talking about the things that are supposed to be his super power that have him in the discussion for top 5. Jones is limited physically comparted to these other guys, but his redeeming factor is supposed to be that he can do all these fundamental things better than anybody else. He's accurate, reads defenses correctly and quickly, processes information fast, ect. But on film it's just not that much better, or even better at all, from the other guys. Plus, those are the things that as a coach you are more confident you can help a guy with. You know you can't coach them to be bigger, faster, or throw harder and you probably can't do much to fix a mechanical issue. Fields doesn't need any help on those uncoachable things, and because he's so high on those he isn't going to even need to be perfect on the coachable ones to be a great QB. Jones is going to have to be absolutely perfect to make up for his limitations, and that's not what we see on the film and probably not something we should expect to achieve.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I wrote about the differences between Tua Tagovailoa and Mac Jones as college passers, and how those differences affected the offensive scheme in Alabama.

And how no offense in my charting history has helped a QB more than 2020 Bama helped Mac Jones. https://t.co/TP5G0lyVEF

— Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) April 12, 2021

(+ had the best OL in the nation and maybe of the last 5 years)

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) April 12, 2021

I think that's something everyone already suspected, but it's nice to see it confirmed.

Put him on another team and he's probably a mid round pick at best.

The coaching he had at Alabama was unreal. One thing I love about Nick Saban is that he has zero ego. He trusts his assistants. He told Steve Sarkisian to build him the perfect offense and the man did it.

The way they out schemed and coached OSU in the title game was something to behold.

The second game we did in the middle of the season, (Sarkisian) said, 'You know, I'm starting to install more, and he's showing me more.'

"And by the third game that we did at the end of the year, Sark said to us he has installed more with Mac Jones than he had with any other college quarterback. So that's the mental aptitude that he has."

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
The coaching he had at Alabama was unreal. One thing I love about Nick Saban is that he has zero ego. He trusts his assistants. He told Steve Sarkisian to build him the perfect offense and the man did it.

The way they out schemed and coached OSU in the title game was something to behold.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or was he able to do that because Mac sat, studied and took off the more he played?

The second game we did in the middle of the season, (Sarkisian) said, 'You know, I'm starting to install more, and he's showing me more.'

"And by the third game that we did at the end of the year, Sark said to us he has installed more with Mac Jones than he had with any other college quarterback. So that's the mental aptitude that he has."

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or was he able to do that because Mac sat, studied and took off the more he played?

The second game we did in the middle of the season, (Sarkisian) said, 'You know, I'm starting to install more, and he's showing me more.'

"And by the third game that we did at the end of the year, Sark said to us he has installed more with Mac Jones than he had with any other college quarterback. So that's the mental aptitude that he has."

He has absolutely zero to gain from puffing up his qb during draft season....

Sarkisian sat down with Todd McShay on ESPN's CFB Podcast and broke down everything he threw at Jones last season. While Alabama had projected first round receivers DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle, Sarkisian threw everything but the kitchen sink at Jones in the Crimson Tide offense.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Reading.

Sarkisian sat down with Todd McShay on ESPN's CFB Podcast and broke down everything he threw at Jones last season. While Alabama had projected first round receivers DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle, Sarkisian threw everything but the kitchen sink at Jones in the Crimson Tide offense.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or was he able to do that because Mac sat, studied and took off the more he played?

The second game we did in the middle of the season, (Sarkisian) said, 'You know, I'm starting to install more, and he's showing me more.'

"And by the third game that we did at the end of the year, Sark said to us he has installed more with Mac Jones than he had with any other college quarterback. So that's the mental aptitude that he has."

He has absolutely zero to gain from puffing up his qb during draft season....

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or was he able to do that because Mac sat, studied and took off the more he played?

The second game we did in the middle of the season, (Sarkisian) said, 'You know, I'm starting to install more, and he's showing me more.'

"And by the third game that we did at the end of the year, Sark said to us he has installed more with Mac Jones than he had with any other college quarterback. So that's the mental aptitude that he has."

He has absolutely zero to gain from puffing up his qb during draft season....