Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

I really like Mac...but it sure seems to me he has just enough arm.

Maybe he has insane control and only throws as hard as he has too....but I can't shake the feeling if he suffered a Jimmy G injury he could be non-functional. I could see old man Payton manning if the dude takes too many NFL hits in his career.

I get everyone's concern on this for the cost of the QB

I think Jones understand that he's physically limited. His arm is probably average at the NFL level.

When I watch him I see a guy that's hesitant to make throws if there's much risk in them. That's why he didn't turn the ball over much. He's kind of got a backup QB mentality of "I'm not going to lose this thing for us." That led to him going with checkdowns more often and passing up on some potentially bigger plays, even some that I think were very open and not especially risky throws. This actually served him well at Alabama where he had elite players and getting them the ball was always a good idea, even if it wasn't always the best option he had available. However, in the NFL I think that approach isn't going to work. Defenses will catch on and the offenses don't have the sheer talent to just beat most defenses. He's going to protect the ball, but I also don't think he's going to be capable of make much happen on his own. That kind of reminds me of Alex Smith under Nolan when he was afraid to make any mistakes so he'd just throw it away a ton.

There are some bad interceptions on Fields tape, but I'm not that bothered by them. Mostly, they are the product of him trying to make something happen. I think you can clean that up, but he's confident for good reason. He'll make more amazing plays than ones that have you saying WTF. I think the OSU offense with it's long routes and not especially good pass protection led to some of those issues as well, to be honest.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I once heard Ryan Nassib and Geno Smith were going in the top 10 also.

Exact opposite scenario. Those guys were talked about as Top 10 picks long before the draft and as you got closer, people started realizing that NFL teams didn't like those dudes anywhere near as much as the media did.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

I really like Mac...but it sure seems to me he has just enough arm.

Maybe he has insane control and only throws as hard as he has too....but I can't shake the feeling if he suffered a Jimmy G injury he could be non-functional. I could see old man Payton manning if the dude takes too many NFL hits in his career.

I get everyone's concern on this for the cost of the QB

I think Jones understand that he's physically limited. His arm is probably average at the NFL level.

When I watch him I see a guy that's hesitant to make throws if there's much risk in them. That's why he didn't turn the ball over much. He's kind of got a backup QB mentality of "I'm not going to lose this thing for us." That led to him going with checkdowns more often and passing up on some potentially bigger plays, even some that I think were very open and not especially risky throws. This actually served him well at Alabama where he had elite players and getting them the ball was always a good idea, even if it wasn't always the best option he had available. However, in the NFL I think that approach isn't going to work. Defenses will catch on and the offenses don't have the sheer talent to just beat most defenses. He's going to protect the ball, but I also don't think he's going to be capable of make much happen on his own. That kind of reminds me of Alex Smith under Nolan when he was afraid to make any mistakes so he'd just throw it away a ton.

There are some bad interceptions on Fields tape, but I'm not that bothered by them. Mostly, they are the product of him trying to make something happen. I think you can clean that up, but he's confident for good reason. He'll make more amazing plays than ones that have you saying WTF. I think the OSU offense with it's long routes and not especially good pass protection led to some of those issues as well, to be honest.

Right. "Fast processing" and "risk averse" can look a lot alike, but ultimately the former is Brees and the later is Alex Smith.

I have no idea what the purpose is in trading up to 3 AND giving up the future if is indeed Mac Jones. They could have traded down in the first and picked up Davis Mills. This is so bizarre.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I once heard Ryan Nassib and Geno Smith were going in the top 10 also.

Exact opposite scenario. Those guys were talked about as Top 10 picks long before the draft and as you got closer, people started realizing that NFL teams didn't like those dudes anywhere near as much as the media did.

I think we are going to find that Mac Jones falls into this same category.

I think we need to start accepting the fact.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
I think we need to start accepting the fact.

A picture of Mac Jones trying to juke an incoming d-lineman.

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

I really like Mac...but it sure seems to me he has just enough arm.

Maybe he has insane control and only throws as hard as he has too....but I can't shake the feeling if he suffered a Jimmy G injury he could be non-functional. I could see old man Payton manning if the dude takes too many NFL hits in his career.

I get everyone's concern on this for the cost of the QB

I think Jones understand that he's physically limited. His arm is probably average at the NFL level.

When I watch him I see a guy that's hesitant to make throws if there's much risk in them. That's why he didn't turn the ball over much. He's kind of got a backup QB mentality of "I'm not going to lose this thing for us." That led to him going with checkdowns more often and passing up on some potentially bigger plays, even some that I think were very open and not especially risky throws. This actually served him well at Alabama where he had elite players and getting them the ball was always a good idea, even if it wasn't always the best option he had available. However, in the NFL I think that approach isn't going to work. Defenses will catch on and the offenses don't have the sheer talent to just beat most defenses. He's going to protect the ball, but I also don't think he's going to be capable of make much happen on his own. That kind of reminds me of Alex Smith under Nolan when he was afraid to make any mistakes so he'd just throw it away a ton.

There are some bad interceptions on Fields tape, but I'm not that bothered by them. Mostly, they are the product of him trying to make something happen. I think you can clean that up, but he's confident for good reason. He'll make more amazing plays than ones that have you saying WTF. I think the OSU offense with it's long routes and not especially good pass protection led to some of those issues as well, to be honest.

Right. "Fast processing" and "risk averse" can look a lot alike, but ultimately the former is Brees and the later is Alex Smith.

Agreed. Jones seems like maybe he could have a Brees-like career if he pans out like some of the best-case scenarios suggest (Brees didn't take off until he went to the Saints, if you guys recall). Jones has a lot to like, but I can certainly agree with the point where I don't see how he provides much more upside than Jimmy G. He might be able to limit turnovers a little bit better, and maybe stay healthier while cutting our cost, but none of those are guarantees outside of the smaller salary.

No matter what we do, we're taking a big risk.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Agreed. Jones seems like maybe he could have a Brees-like career if he pans out like some of the best-case scenarios suggest (Brees didn't take off until he went to the Saints, if you guys recall). Jones has a lot to like, but I can certainly agree with the point where I don't see how he provides much more upside than Jimmy G. He might be able to limit turnovers a little bit better, and maybe stay healthier while cutting our cost, but none of those are guarantees outside of the smaller salary.

No matter what we do, we're taking a big risk.

Should just go ahead and take the most pro style QB available in the draft.

Kellen Mond.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

I really like Mac...but it sure seems to me he has just enough arm.

Maybe he has insane control and only throws as hard as he has too....but I can't shake the feeling if he suffered a Jimmy G injury he could be non-functional. I could see old man Payton manning if the dude takes too many NFL hits in his career.

I get everyone's concern on this for the cost of the QB

I think Jones understand that he's physically limited. His arm is probably average at the NFL level.

When I watch him I see a guy that's hesitant to make throws if there's much risk in them. That's why he didn't turn the ball over much. He's kind of got a backup QB mentality of "I'm not going to lose this thing for us." That led to him going with checkdowns more often and passing up on some potentially bigger plays, even some that I think were very open and not especially risky throws. This actually served him well at Alabama where he had elite players and getting them the ball was always a good idea, even if it wasn't always the best option he had available. However, in the NFL I think that approach isn't going to work. Defenses will catch on and the offenses don't have the sheer talent to just beat most defenses. He's going to protect the ball, but I also don't think he's going to be capable of make much happen on his own. That kind of reminds me of Alex Smith under Nolan when he was afraid to make any mistakes so he'd just throw it away a ton.

There are some bad interceptions on Fields tape, but I'm not that bothered by them. Mostly, they are the product of him trying to make something happen. I think you can clean that up, but he's confident for good reason. He'll make more amazing plays than ones that have you saying WTF. I think the OSU offense with it's long routes and not especially good pass protection led to some of those issues as well, to be honest.

Right. "Fast processing" and "risk averse" can look a lot alike, but ultimately the former is Brees and the later is Alex Smith.

Agreed. Jones seems like maybe he could have a Brees-like career if he pans out like some of the best-case scenarios suggest (Brees didn't take off until he went to the Saints, if you guys recall). Jones has a lot to like, but I can certainly agree with the point where I don't see how he provides much more upside than Jimmy G. He might be able to limit turnovers a little bit better, and maybe stay healthier while cutting our cost, but none of those are guarantees outside of the smaller salary.

No matter what we do, we're taking a big risk.

Brees was a pro bowler in San Diego.

Kiper is scaring me

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Jimmy is getting pushed out because he can no longer be trusted to stay healthy, not because of his arm.

Taje a look at his pass chart and how teams have played him. He doesn't throw outside, doesn't throw deep. That is what Mac will be with his arm

I saw Mac connect plenty downfield, not worried in the slightest. My only knock on him is his athleticism. If Kyle values that then Mac aint his guy.

Agree, I dont know where folks think his arm is a noodle arm. Its NFL caliber and can make every pass Kyle will want him to make. I think there is a video in his *high school* days of him throwing a 65 yard TD. I like all three QBs, but any of theses QBs has like a 40% chance of being a bust despite all the film study us amatures do on them.

No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

You don't need a top 5 arm if you have the anticipation and touch and accuracy and the right timing kind of offense. Kyle's play pass offense, needs that quick release because he has to beat the LB's dropping back into coverage after a play fake. He needs touch because he has to lob it over the LB's and in front of the DB's. Kyles offense involves a lot of deception. Kyle's genius is in his ability to design plays that make one defensive guy hesitate a split second, so he needs a QB that can take advantage of that hesitation and thread those needles because it's not going to be a big window - they are going to be inches wide.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

I really like Mac...but it sure seems to me he has just enough arm.

Maybe he has insane control and only throws as hard as he has too....but I can't shake the feeling if he suffered a Jimmy G injury he could be non-functional. I could see old man Payton manning if the dude takes too many NFL hits in his career.

I get everyone's concern on this for the cost of the QB

I think Jones understand that he's physically limited. His arm is probably average at the NFL level.

When I watch him I see a guy that's hesitant to make throws if there's much risk in them. That's why he didn't turn the ball over much. He's kind of got a backup QB mentality of "I'm not going to lose this thing for us." That led to him going with checkdowns more often and passing up on some potentially bigger plays, even some that I think were very open and not especially risky throws. This actually served him well at Alabama where he had elite players and getting them the ball was always a good idea, even if it wasn't always the best option he had available. However, in the NFL I think that approach isn't going to work. Defenses will catch on and the offenses don't have the sheer talent to just beat most defenses. He's going to protect the ball, but I also don't think he's going to be capable of make much happen on his own. That kind of reminds me of Alex Smith under Nolan when he was afraid to make any mistakes so he'd just throw it away a ton.

There are some bad interceptions on Fields tape, but I'm not that bothered by them. Mostly, they are the product of him trying to make something happen. I think you can clean that up, but he's confident for good reason. He'll make more amazing plays than ones that have you saying WTF. I think the OSU offense with it's long routes and not especially good pass protection led to some of those issues as well, to be honest.

Right. "Fast processing" and "risk averse" can look a lot alike, but ultimately the former is Brees and the later is Alex Smith.

Agreed. Jones seems like maybe he could have a Brees-like career if he pans out like some of the best-case scenarios suggest (Brees didn't take off until he went to the Saints, if you guys recall). Jones has a lot to like, but I can certainly agree with the point where I don't see how he provides much more upside than Jimmy G. He might be able to limit turnovers a little bit better, and maybe stay healthier while cutting our cost, but none of those are guarantees outside of the smaller salary.

No matter what we do, we're taking a big risk.

Brees was a pro bowler in San Diego.

Four years into his career.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
No, he doesn't have a noodle arm, but of the top 5 QBs, he has the weakest arm.

I really like Mac...but it sure seems to me he has just enough arm.

Maybe he has insane control and only throws as hard as he has too....but I can't shake the feeling if he suffered a Jimmy G injury he could be non-functional. I could see old man Payton manning if the dude takes too many NFL hits in his career.

I get everyone's concern on this for the cost of the QB

I think Jones understand that he's physically limited. His arm is probably average at the NFL level.

When I watch him I see a guy that's hesitant to make throws if there's much risk in them. That's why he didn't turn the ball over much. He's kind of got a backup QB mentality of "I'm not going to lose this thing for us." That led to him going with checkdowns more often and passing up on some potentially bigger plays, even some that I think were very open and not especially risky throws. This actually served him well at Alabama where he had elite players and getting them the ball was always a good idea, even if it wasn't always the best option he had available. However, in the NFL I think that approach isn't going to work. Defenses will catch on and the offenses don't have the sheer talent to just beat most defenses. He's going to protect the ball, but I also don't think he's going to be capable of make much happen on his own. That kind of reminds me of Alex Smith under Nolan when he was afraid to make any mistakes so he'd just throw it away a ton.

There are some bad interceptions on Fields tape, but I'm not that bothered by them. Mostly, they are the product of him trying to make something happen. I think you can clean that up, but he's confident for good reason. He'll make more amazing plays than ones that have you saying WTF. I think the OSU offense with it's long routes and not especially good pass protection led to some of those issues as well, to be honest.

Right. "Fast processing" and "risk averse" can look a lot alike, but ultimately the former is Brees and the later is Alex Smith.

Agreed. Jones seems like maybe he could have a Brees-like career if he pans out like some of the best-case scenarios suggest (Brees didn't take off until he went to the Saints, if you guys recall). Jones has a lot to like, but I can certainly agree with the point where I don't see how he provides much more upside than Jimmy G. He might be able to limit turnovers a little bit better, and maybe stay healthier while cutting our cost, but none of those are guarantees outside of the smaller salary.

No matter what we do, we're taking a big risk.

Yea, I wish there was more meat on the Jimmy G vs Jones debate. We can all see the ways that Fields could be an upgrade over Jimmy - mobility, arm strength, deep ball accuracy, etc.

But what about Mac Jones? What makes him a possible upgrade over Jimmy? Health and cost? Has to be more, right?

Originally posted by BMoore56:

Kiper is scaring me

Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway