Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Kiper sucks, always has

Originally posted by Bloodless:
You guys are just talking nonsense. See this kind of stuff makes me like Mac even more. People who just blindly bash Mac and do not know what they are talking about. Mac is not comparable to Jimmy.

Jimmy was a 2nd round pick coming from Eastern Illinois, Mac is going in the top 10 of the first round and started for the best college football program on the planet.

Jimmy throws an awful deepball. Mac Throws an amazing deepball. In fact, he had a better passer rating throwing deep than both Fields and Lance.

Mac is insanely accurate. He just broke the all-time record for completion percentage for a season at 77.4% completion percentage. He did that while throwing for 4500 yards 11.2 Y/A against an all-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated national championship season.

Jimmy has had turnover problems. Mac takes care of the football, he had a 41/4 TD/Int ratio.

The only thing they might compare at is from a running athletic standpoint. And Mac still Tested better than him as an athlete.

We might as well be comparing Kap with Fields. It is complete nonsense.

Lol you are comparing an NFL players career to Mac who has only played in college. Take a look at Jimmy's college tape. Great deep ball, quick release, accurate, good arm... He doesn't have those extra physical tools. This is the future with mac

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You're comparing what Jimmy has done in the pros to what Mac did in college while surrounded by the 1st round talent at almost every position. They're not comparable. Jimmy was a good deep ball thrower in college. He also would have gone in the first round if he had gone to a bigger school (such as Alabama). There is absolutely zero evidence to support the idea that Jones will be a better pro than Jimmy. If we select Jones, it's not because we want to move on from Jimmy, it's because we want some insurance at the backup position in case Jimmy gets hurt again.

You were the one who started comparing Mac a current college QB to Jimmy a NFL QB not me. In fact you had maybe the dumbest comment I might have heard yet in saying he was worse then Jimmy in every way but health. As draft prospects they are not close to comparable. Even if you compare Mac The college player to Jimmy the 7 year NFL vet. Mac Is a better decision maker, more consistently accurate, and can throw balls Jimmy just cannot throw. You can like other players more that is fine. But stop comparing Mac to Jimmy, the only thing they have in common is they both will have played QB for the 49ers.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
First it was Tom Brady, then Joe Montana. Now he's Drew Brees? Oh brother

I think he most favorably compares to eli manning. Similar athletic ability, build and arm strength.

If he has a similar career he'll be well worth the pick.

A career QB rating of 84.

Yea, he won two Super Bowls due to their defense. Their offense only scored more than 24 points in the playoffs one time in 12 games and his playoff QB rating isn't much different from his career. NO THANKS!

Yes the Giants had a top 10 defense when Eli won SB #1 but they were far from that the second time. Both of those wins came VS the Pats and Brady. The first time the Pat's had the top ranked D, the second time the Pat's had the 3rd ranked D.

And in the first SB he led the game winning drive to win that SB. The second SB they were down 8 midway thru the 3rd and he led them to score FGs on two drives then marched them down late in the 4th for the game winning TD.

As to his career passer rating of 84.1, it sits around that of HOF'ers Favre's (86) and Dan Marino (86.4) , Jim Kelly (84.4) and Troy Aikman (81.6).

Context matters.

"context matters" you say as you list QBs that played in a different era than Eli, thus ignoring some really important context. How does Eli's career QB rating compare against his peers that played during the same era?

He was not a good QB across his career. He had some good moments in clutch time, but it was largely his team that won the Super Bowl. If his last name wasn't Manning, he would never even be considered for the HoF.

Eli came into the league in 2004 and even won a SB while Favre was still playing. Favre didn't retire until 2010.

Adam Shefter - "Oh, It'll be Mac Jones." He later backtracked, probably because he spilled the beans.

Mel Kiper:
With Trevor Lawrence expected to land with the Jacksonville Jaguars, Zach Wilson with the New York Jets, and Jones anticipated to join San Francisco, Get Up! host Mike Greenberg asked Kiper if he considers the first three selections in this year's draft to be a lock.
"I think they are a lock, right now," Kiper responded.

Phil Simms:
"I think it's Mac Jones, I do," Simms told Mike Florio on "PFT Live." "I don't know that. But just knowing my friend, knowing his history, knowing his school of thought to make that type of move, that's the one that makes sense to me.

Grant Cohn:
"Mac Jones would be a huge upgrade over Nate Sudfeld for the 49ers."

Kyle Shanahan:
"I love Kirk Cousins."

All of this Eli comparison is ridiculous, but let me chime in. For a start if any of these guys have a career like Eli they'll have been worth the pick. 2 Superbowls and in the HOF conversation will do.

If you're comparing Eli to Mac, you're ignoring that Eli is 3 inches taller, and had an absolute cannon compared to Mac.

People remember the washed up Eli behind the battered Giants O-Line, well guess what you'll get if you don't protect Mac Jones

People keep bringing up Justin Fields' bad games, and that's fine but all QB's struggle somewhat when a defense can get pressure with 4 guys, (Tom Brady Vs Giants as we're on the subject) that has never happened to Mac Jones, and it's a huge projection to suggest how he'll handle it.

I was never on the Mac Jones train, but I at least wanted to see what those who liked him saw. I checked out quite a few videos of his games. He definitely has a nice feel for the game and is comfortable in the pocket. His anticipation throws are definitely a great skill to have. I just question what happens when he is sped up and can't plant his feet. He throws a pretty deep ball that has a lot of air under it, but I have not seen an arm that can drive the ball outside the numbers.

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
First it was Tom Brady, then Joe Montana. Now he's Drew Brees? Oh brother

I am going to say who I see.
A less experienced AJ McCarron.
Strengths:

• Limits mistakes
• Makes good decisions
• Quality game-manager
• Field vision
• Ball security
• Distributes the ball to a variety of weapons
• Good on touch passes
• Basis for good footwork
• Accurate
• Improved throughout college
• Intelligent

Matt Leinart Same profile And I think he drank in college

Mark Sanchez I really see this. Hopefully not rushed in development like Mark

Sam Bradford Had a good system around him, overall I think it came to be understood he was over rated

This guy is these guys.

I can completely see that Mark Sanchez comp unfortunately.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
I was never on the Mac Jones train, but I at least wanted to see what those who liked him saw. I checked out quite a few videos of his games. He definitely has a nice feel for the game and is comfortable in the pocket. His anticipation throws are definitely a great skill to have. I just question what happens when he is sped up and can't plant his feet. He throws a pretty deep ball that has a lot of air under it, but I have not seen an arm that can drive the ball outside the numbers.

I'm practically where you are, and I've watched some games in full as well. The only thing I'll add in Mac's favour, is that none of these QB's can touch him pre snap, I haven't seen him fooled by much.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
First it was Tom Brady, then Joe Montana. Now he's Drew Brees? Oh brother

I think he most favorably compares to eli manning. Similar athletic ability, build and arm strength.

If he has a similar career he'll be well worth the pick.

A career QB rating of 84.

Yea, he won two Super Bowls due to their defense. Their offense only scored more than 24 points in the playoffs one time in 12 games and his playoff QB rating isn't much different from his career. NO THANKS!

Yes the Giants had a top 10 defense when Eli won SB #1 but they were far from that the second time. Both of those wins came VS the Pats and Brady. The first time the Pat's had the top ranked D, the second time the Pat's had the 3rd ranked D.

And in the first SB he led the game winning drive to win that SB. The second SB they were down 8 midway thru the 3rd and he led them to score FGs on two drives then marched them down late in the 4th for the game winning TD.

As to his career passer rating of 84.1, it sits around that of HOF'ers Favre's (86) and Dan Marino (86.4) , Jim Kelly (84.4) and Troy Aikman (81.6).

Context matters.

"context matters" you say as you list QBs that played in a different era than Eli, thus ignoring some really important context. How does Eli's career QB rating compare against his peers that played during the same era?

He was not a good QB across his career. He had some good moments in clutch time, but it was largely his team that won the Super Bowl. If his last name wasn't Manning, he would never even be considered for the HoF.

Eli came into the league in 2004 and even won a SB while Favre was still playing. Favre didn't retire until 2010.

That's largely irrelevant. Favre played the majority of his career under different defensive rules which have had a huge impact on the average QB rating since 2004. Favre's career average is about 6 points higher than the average QB rating during his career. Eli's career rating is under the average during his career.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Mel Kiper flipped on the Niner Gang. I feel like this is the presidential election and we are waiting on the results from Arizona. pic.twitter.com/hGPh2QyEfX

— Crocky (@eric_crocker) April 13, 2021

He has the Broncos taking a LB instead of Fields?

Only one guy is making the pick at #3. Mike Shanahan.

Mike to Kyle: "I love Mac Jones."
Kyle to John: "Mac Jones is the guy I want."
John to Jed: "Here is our plan to draft Mac Jones."

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
All of this Eli comparison is ridiculous, but let me chime in. For a start if any of these guys have a career like Eli they'll have been worth the pick. 2 Superbowls and in the HOF conversation will do.

If you're comparing Eli to Mac, you're ignoring that Eli is 3 inches taller, and had an absolute cannon compared to Mac.

People remember the washed up Eli behind the battered Giants O-Line, well guess what you'll get if you don't protect Mac Jones

People keep bringing up Justin Fields' bad games, and that's fine but all QB's struggle somewhat when a defense can get pressure with 4 guys, (Tom Brady Vs Giants as we're on the subject) that has never happened to Mac Jones, and it's a huge projection to suggest how he'll handle it.

Mac has been pressured regularly. He has an online advantage, but let's not overstate his protection.

Eli BTW was absolutely magic in college. What he did with that team was amazing. Payton likely would have done worse on that team.

I would take rookie Eli over Rookie Jones 100 out of 100 times. I would take Rookie Eli over every QB in this draft. Rookie Eli with shanny would be insane.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
First it was Tom Brady, then Joe Montana. Now he's Drew Brees? Oh brother

I think he most favorably compares to eli manning. Similar athletic ability, build and arm strength.

If he has a similar career he'll be well worth the pick.

A career QB rating of 84.

Yea, he won two Super Bowls due to their defense. Their offense only scored more than 24 points in the playoffs one time in 12 games and his playoff QB rating isn't much different from his career. NO THANKS!

Yes the Giants had a top 10 defense when Eli won SB #1 but they were far from that the second time. Both of those wins came VS the Pats and Brady. The first time the Pat's had the top ranked D, the second time the Pat's had the 3rd ranked D.

And in the first SB he led the game winning drive to win that SB. The second SB they were down 8 midway thru the 3rd and he led them to score FGs on two drives then marched them down late in the 4th for the game winning TD.

As to his career passer rating of 84.1, it sits around that of HOF'ers Favre's (86) and Dan Marino (86.4) , Jim Kelly (84.4) and Troy Aikman (81.6).

Context matters.

"context matters" you say as you list QBs that played in a different era than Eli, thus ignoring some really important context. How does Eli's career QB rating compare against his peers that played during the same era?

He was not a good QB across his career. He had some good moments in clutch time, but it was largely his team that won the Super Bowl. If his last name wasn't Manning, he would never even be considered for the HoF.

Eli came into the league in 2004 and even won a SB while Favre was still playing. Favre didn't retire until 2010.

That's largely irrelevant. Favre played the majority of his career under different defensive rules which have had a huge impact on the average QB rating since 2004. Favre's career average is about 6 points higher than the average QB rating during his career. Eli's career rating is under the average during his career.

The 7 years where there careers overlapped Favres rating was 84.2.

His passer rating pre Eli was 87.2.

Would we seriously not be happy if the guy we got from this draft regardless of his name becomes a FQB who wins us 2 SBs in his career and ends his career as top 10 all time in passing yards and touchdowns thrown? I would definitely take that with it being in Kyle's offense and if we can maintain a top 10 D (9 of the last 10 SB winners had top 10 D's, as defense still wins championships in the NFL).

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Mac has been pressured regularly. He has an online advantage, but let's not overstate his protection.

Eli BTW was absolutely magic in college. What he did with that team was amazing. Payton likely would have done worse on that team.

I would take rookie Eli over Rookie Jones 100 out of 100 times. I would take Rookie Eli over every QB in this draft. Rookie Eli with shanny would be insane.

Eli had the clutch genes in that family. Peyton had everything else. It was wild to see him flip the switch from Potato Eli in the regular season to Eli Montana in the playoffs