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Apr 13, 2021 at 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Watched the first half of the LSU game, 12/12 3 TD's at one point and ended with 470.

0 pressures AT ALL and one difficult throw, again I don't ding people for things that aren't their fault, but I do try to project to a Sunday and this game (so far) tells you NOTHING about him as a pro prospect.

There was one snap I thought was a pressure, but it was a screen!

Are we really critiquing games that he should have went 14/14 with 3 TD passes to start the game? You are right that He didn't face much pressure in this particular game. Also, in 3 of the 4 TDs he had in that game the WRs were very open. But he still made the right reads and threw accurate footballs. If he never faced pressure before I might be concerned. He did though and played well while being pressured. I think Wilson had way more time this season to throw than Mac did, But Fans do not seem to even care about it when it is someone other than Mac.

I mean he didn't play worse then Fields when under pressure, which was about half as much.


and while he had some pretty nice deep balls when guys were wide open, he had no problem throwing some stinkers all the same...there's under throws to be found in his limited film and it showed up on his pro day as well.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 13, 2021 at 12:57 PM ]
Apr 13, 2021 at 12:56 PM
Remember when he put his career on Jimmy Clausen?
Apr 13, 2021 at 12:58 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by BMoore56:
Kiper is scaring me




Means we're picking Sewell at 3?? At least he'll contribute immediately. Anthony Munoz 2.0.
Apr 13, 2021 at 12:58 PM
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Mac Jones may "appear" not to be pressured a lot. Maybe he because gets rid of the ball faster then the pressure gets to him.

Easy to do when your WRs are running wide open.

years ago there was a stat rolling around that was something like Joe Montana's sacks or pressures went down 30 some odd percent by drafting Jerry Rice. I dont remember if it was 28 or 38...i dont recall what it was...but it was a real tangible number.

BigMac is not wrong that the line matters, and Boomer is not wrong that the WR talent matters. I disagree with absolutes like "never gets pressured" when we are watching film of him and he is getting pressured. But yeahhhh.... you cant compare him to Eli Manning, when Eli took a nothing team and made it a something team.

Mac Jones would be easier to understand with less talent. It is hard, and i agree with them....RISKY.....to say hey this dude is elite.

The only feather in Mac's hat so to speak....is Mac had elite talent, (and he is nowhere near the only QB that has been surrounded by Elite talent).....but at LEAST he set NCAA all time records with that Elite Talent.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:00 PM
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Are we really critiquing games that he should have went 14/14 with 3 TD passes to start the game? You are right that He didn't face much pressure in this particular game. Also, in 3 of the 4 TDs he had in that game the WRs were very open. But he still made the right reads and threw accurate footballs. If he never faced pressure before I might be concerned. He did though and played well while being pressured. I think Wilson had way more time this season to throw than Mac did, But Fans do not seem to even care about it when it is someone other than Mac.

AND the fact we are still even talking about the OLINES is ridiculous.

The point came up when people were comping him to Eli, I'm making the point that he has never been pressured consistently in a game Vs 4 rushers, and now I'm going over game tape to prove it.

Again, I am not downgrading him because of it, it's not his fault. I'm merely pointing out that without factoring it into his projection you won't get a complete picture.

I will be the first to point out if I notice more than two or three pressures against 4 rushers with him defeating it.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:03 PM
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Watched the first half of the LSU game, 12/12 3 TD's at one point and ended with 470.

0 pressures AT ALL and one difficult throw, again I don't ding people for things that aren't their fault, but I do try to project to a Sunday and this game (so far) tells you NOTHING about him as a pro prospect.

There was one snap I thought was a pressure, but it was a screen!

Are we really critiquing games that he should have went 14/14 with 3 TD passes to start the game? You are right that He didn't face much pressure in this particular game. Also, in 3 of the 4 TDs he had in that game the WRs were very open. But he still made the right reads and threw accurate footballs. If he never faced pressure before I might be concerned. He did though and played well while being pressured. I think Wilson had way more time this season to throw than Mac did, But Fans do not seem to even care about it when it is someone other than Mac.

LSU pass defense was beyond abysmal. Not a good barometer for anybody. KJ Costello anyone? 625 yds, 5tds MSU v LSU.
[ Edited by Rathof44 on Apr 13, 2021 at 1:09 PM ]
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:10 PM
The main concern is that the last couple years teams have fallen for Jalen Hurts and Tua. Not to say they won't pan out, but are they and Mac Jones products of the system? For the 49ers, Seems like way too much to give for system QB.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:16 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he didn't play worse then Fields when under pressure, which was about half as much.


and while he had some pretty nice deep balls when guys were wide open, he had no problem throwing some stinkers all the same...there's under throws to be found in his limited film and it showed up on his pro day as well.


PFF cannot even be consistent in the things they say apparently.

https://ibb.co/8c5pHGc

According to them here Mac was way better when passing under pressure then Fields.

They cannot all be dimes but he had an extremely efficient deep ball rating. Many of which the player was not wide open.

I don't think Mac Under-threw at his pro day from what I remember. His problem was that he had a few overthrows on the deep ball. But that is not something I am concerned about since the deep ball is something he consistently did well in college.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:16 PM
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
The main concern is that the last couple years teams have fallen for Jalen Hurts and Tua. Not to say they won't pan out, but are they and Mac Jones products of the system? For the 49ers, Seems like way too much to give for system QB.

Pretty much.

I know I'm the evil a*****e in here with Mac or whatever...but from my pov, I think I have a right to be based on what we gave up and who else is available. We as fans should want more than "good enough" or a system QB.

Regardless, he does seem to know where to go with the ball and when in structure has good mechanics & is accurate. Those are his high end traits. Everything is avg to poor. What he is good at is learnable....You can't objectively look at him and say he's a top 5 QB in this league with 4-5 yrs. You can't objectively say he's much better than Jimmy. His ceiling isn't close to the other 4. is what it is.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 13, 2021 at 1:57 PM ]
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:17 PM
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Phil Simms:
"I think it's Mac Jones, I do," Simms told Mike Florio on "PFT Live." "I don't know that. But just knowing my friend, knowing his history, knowing his school of thought to make that type of move, that's the one that makes sense to me.

Lol,...Phil or Chris?
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:17 PM
Is Jones capable of carrying the offense if a couple of our weapons go down with an injury? Is he capable of pulling off a play when our Oline breaks down? Can he make plays when the defense adjust to Kyle's schemes and says we are going to force the QB to beat us. We have seen so many times where we march down the field on the 1st couple of drives and then the offense stalls after that because the opposing defense makes adjustments and our QB can't makes plays on his own. I don't want to draft a QB that has to rely on Kyle's schemes and our offensive weapons.to do the heavy lifting. The guy we draft 3rd overall and traded two future 1st RD picks for shouldn't need to be carried.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:18 PM
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Are we really critiquing games that he should have went 14/14 with 3 TD passes to start the game? You are right that He didn't face much pressure in this particular game. Also, in 3 of the 4 TDs he had in that game the WRs were very open. But he still made the right reads and threw accurate footballs. If he never faced pressure before I might be concerned. He did though and played well while being pressured. I think Wilson had way more time this season to throw than Mac did, But Fans do not seem to even care about it when it is someone other than Mac.

AND the fact we are still even talking about the OLINES is ridiculous.

The point came up when people were comping him to Eli, I'm making the point that he has never been pressured consistently in a game Vs 4 rushers, and now I'm going over game tape to prove it.

Again, I am not downgrading him because of it, it's not his fault. I'm merely pointing out that without factoring it into his projection you won't get a complete picture.

I will be the first to point out if I notice more than two or three pressures against 4 rushers with him defeating it.

Dont waste your time. This far in. Nobody is changing anyone's mind at this point.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:22 PM
Originally posted by Bloodless:
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PFF cannot even be consistent in the things they say apparently.

https://ibb.co/8c5pHGc

According to them here Mac was way better when passing under pressure then Fields.

They cannot all be dimes but he had an extremely efficient deep ball rating. Many of which the player was not wide open.

I don't think Mac Under-threw at his pro day from what I remember. His problem was that he had a few overthrows on the deep ball. But that is not something I am concerned about since the deep ball is something he consistently did well in college.

I keep seeing this pic where is it from? when was in calculated? they're clearly using a different algorithm. This was PFF newest/updated stat.

No actually many of them were wide open, which isn't his fault but simply the truth of it. Those clips are just more proof of his lack of arm talent overall.

No he did under throw a couple balls, guys had to come back and catch balls. Like I said is what it is, his arm talent just isn't on the same planet as the other guys...he's never gonna have a hose, his arm talent will be at the bottom half of starters in the NFL.

Like all these QBs they have their warts, he's got his as well.
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:26 PM
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I will be the first to point out if I notice more than two or three pressures against 4 rushers with him defeating it.

https://youtu.be/oWjnE4O-XsI

This isn't the video i was looking for, but you will see multiple 4 man pressures in that game.

they are out there....
Apr 13, 2021 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Phil Simms:
"I think it's Mac Jones, I do," Simms told Mike Florio on "PFT Live." "I don't know that. But just knowing my friend, knowing his history, knowing his school of thought to make that type of move, that's the one that makes sense to me.

Lol,...Phil or Chris?

Same thing..They look exactly alike.
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