Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by jcs:

Good segment. Looks like some of the analysts are starting to dig more into Mac Jones. They are talking to former coaches and finding they love Jones's elite decision making and accuracy. They think he's a great pick for SF at 3 and might even be the best QB in the draft. Shanny knows. Strange Riddick went to actual talent evaluators to find out about Mac and didn't just ask the legions of triggered fans and sports writers. The rest of league has given up on FB's and pure pocket passers, but not Shanny.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Is Jones capable of carrying the offense if a couple of our weapons go down with an injury? Is he capable of pulling off a play when our Oline breaks down? Can he make plays when the defense adjust to Kyle's schemes and says we are going to force the QB to beat us. We have seen so many times where we march down the field on the 1st couple of drives and then the offense stalls after that because the opposing defense makes adjustments and our QB can't makes plays on his own. I don't want to draft a QB that has to rely on Kyle's schemes and our offensive weapons.to do the heavy lifting. The guy we draft 3rd overall and traded two future 1st RD picks for shouldn't need to be carried.

I suspect he has to be better then Mullins.

I think Jones best attribute is ball placement, followed by release.

I don't see how Mac is not going to rely on Shanny to do Shanny stuff and create offense with his game planning.

I don't get gun slinger magic man from him. I dont think the world boils into chaos and some how Mac brings the team from darkness to the light. I just dont see that.

Hell, we don't know how "clutch" the dude can be. The closest we get to Clutch is the 2019 Iron Bowl...and he did great considering the circumstances (his picks in the end lost the game for them...but it was extraordinary circumstances)

Originally posted by jobiwon:

Originally posted by jcs:

Good segment. Looks like some of the analysts are starting to dig more into Mac Jones. They are talking to former coaches and finding they love Jones's elite decision making and accuracy. They think he's a great pick for SF at 3 and might even be the best QB in the draft. Shanny knows. Strange Riddick went to actual talent evaluators to find out about Mac and didn't just ask the legions of triggered fans and sports writers. The rest of league has given up on FB's and pure pcoket passers, but not Shanny.

well we don't know that yet

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by krizay:
Dont waste your time. This far in. Nobody is changing anyone's mind at this point.

My body is ready.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
The main concern is that the last couple years teams have fallen for Jalen Hurts and Tua. Not to say they won't pan out, but are they and Mac Jones products of the system? For the 49ers, Seems like way too much to give for system QB.

I dont think the biggest Mac fans can look you in the face and say...worth it.

I really like Mac too...I would love for him to be a 49er....but that is ALOT of draft Capital....and your not even getting the top QB in the draft.

You could make an argument that Fields, Lance and Zach are flawed too..... they are. No one here is perfect. You cant teach what some of the other QBs have. I dont know that you can Teach what Jones has....but we have all seen the Gannons, and Smiths of the world...it sure seems like you can improve decision making.

Originally posted by jobiwon:

Originally posted by jcs:

Good segment. Looks like some of the analysts are starting to dig more into Mac Jones. They are talking to former coaches and finding they love Jones's elite decision making and accuracy. They think he's a great pick for SF at 3 and might even be the best QB in the draft. Shanny knows. Strange Riddick went to actual talent evaluators to find out about Mac and didn't just ask the legions of triggered fans and sports writers. The rest of league has given up on FB's and pure pcoket passers, but not Shanny.

Will still have the 4th best QB in the division 4 years from now.....maybe the third if Stafford retires. I guess that's worth 2 additional first rounders.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I dont think the biggest Mac fans can look you in the face and say...worth it.

I really like Mac too...I would love for him to be a 49er....but that is ALOT of draft Capital....and your not even getting the top QB in the draft.

You could make an argument that Fields, Lance and Zach are flawed too..... they are. No one here is perfect. You cant teach what some of the other QBs have. I dont know that you can Teach what Jones has....but we have all seen the Gannons, and Smiths of the world...it sure seems like you can improve decision making.

That is the crux of the issue. No one is gonna convince me that there won't be another Mac Jones level QB in 2022 or 2023 draft.

Hell I wouldn't have given all that up for Fields or Lance either but at least with them I get the skillsets they have and why they would be valued.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
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PFF cannot even be consistent in the things they say apparently.

https://ibb.co/8c5pHGc

According to them here Mac was way better when passing under pressure then Fields.

They cannot all be dimes but he had an extremely efficient deep ball rating. Many of which the player was not wide open.

I don't think Mac Under-threw at his pro day from what I remember. His problem was that he had a few overthrows on the deep ball. But that is not something I am concerned about since the deep ball is something he consistently did well in college.

I keep seeing this pic where is it from? when was in calculated? they're clearly using a different algorithm. This was PFF newest/updated stat.

No actually many of them were wide open, which isn't his fault but simply the truth of it. Those clips are just more proof of his lack of arm talent overall.

No he did under throw a couple balls, guys had to come back and catch balls. Like I said is what it is, his arm talent just isn't on the same planet as the other guys...he's never gonna have a hose, his arm talent will be at the bottom half of starters in the NFL.

Like all these QBs they have their warts, he's got his as well.

If they are changing algorithms and getting that drastic of differences on how these players handle pressure.... During the very same offseason mind you. Then I am not sure we can trust either one of the stats we both posted lol. PFF is interesting to talk about but I am not sure some of their stats in certain categories can be trusted. That goes for me arguing PFF stats in favor of mac as well.

Personally, IMO after having watched their games. I think Mac played better than Fields while being pressured. That is not to say I do not like Fields. I do. But how he played at times when facing pressure does concern me.

Were there many plays when Mac's Wrs were wide open deep? Yes, I will be objective and admit that. But most of those balls still hit the WR in stride. There were also many instances of non-wide open deep balls that he hit in stride as well. This is why I am not concerned about Mac's deep ball at all. IMO it is something he does extremely well.

Originally posted by krizay:
Dont waste your time. This far in. Nobody is changing anyone's mind at this point.

So why are we getting through about 10 pages a day?!

Originally posted by jobiwon:
Good segment. Looks like some of the analysts are starting to dig more into Mac Jones. They are talking to former coaches and finding they love Jones's elite decision making and accuracy. They think he's a great pick for SF at 3 and might even be the best QB in the draft. Shanny knows. Strange Riddick went to actual talent evaluators to find out about Mac and didn't just ask the legions of triggered fans and sports writers. The rest of league has given up on FB's and pure pocket passers, but not Shanny.

Lol go listen to Louis talk about the other QBs and what the talent evaluators say about them as well...this is entertainment, ESPN almost never hates on a prospect.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
If they are changing algorithms and getting that drastic of differences on how these players handle pressure.... During the very same offseason mind you. Then I am not sure we can trust either one of the stats we both posted lol. PFF is interesting to talk about but I am not sure some of their stats in certain categories can be trusted. That goes for me arguing PFF stats in favor of mac as well.

Personally, IMO after having watched their games. I think Mac played better than Fields while being pressured. That is not to say I do not like Fields. I do. But how he played at times when facing pressure does concern me.

Were there many plays when Mac's Wrs were wide open deep? Yes, I will be objective and admit that. But most of those balls still hit the WR in stride. There were also many instances of non-wide open deep balls that he hit in stride as well. This is why I am not concerned about Mac's deep ball at all. IMO it is something he does extremely well.

Well look at the numbers no one has a 100+ or whatever that picture is saying...it's clearly a different stat or algorithm, that's all I'm saying.

he's got great touch on his passes, he doesn't have the velocity you want from a QB you're spending 3 1sts on. There's a massive difference between him and the other 4 there.

like I said what he's good at are learnable traits, he like a lot of Bama players are maxed out coming into the league. This isn't about who's better day 1 at "quarterbacking" but who's better 3-4 yrs from now. This pick is a long-term investment and he simply isn't there compared to the rest as far as ceiling goes. That s**t matters, even more in today's game.

Every team in the nfcw is hoping we pick Mac. That tells you all you need to know

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I dont think the biggest Mac fans can look you in the face and say...worth it.

I really like Mac too...I would love for him to be a 49er....but that is ALOT of draft Capital....and your not even getting the top QB in the draft.

You could make an argument that Fields, Lance and Zach are flawed too..... they are. No one here is perfect. You cant teach what some of the other QBs have. I dont know that you can Teach what Jones has....but we have all seen the Gannons, and Smiths of the world...it sure seems like you can improve decision making.

That is the crux of the issue. No one is gonna convince me that there won't be another Mac Jones level QB in 2022 or 2023 draft.

Hell I wouldn't have given all that up for Fields or Lance either but at least with them I get the skillsets they have and why they would be valued.

Absolutely this, for me Mac is a good QB prospect, you don't spend the #3 overall pick on good, let alone trading what we did.

We'd have a higher chance of success using a first rounder on a QB for 3 straight years than we would using 3 first rounders on Mac Jones.