Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

Fields is a generational talent... So yes, he would be worth it.

Generational? I don't see it but I hope whoever they draft reaches their absolute ceiling.

Kentucky (I'm charting games Mac faces pressure against a standard 4 man rush)

0 1st qtr

2nd qtr, 3 tech beats LG, Mac is deep and sees it, checks to the flat for 2 yards, nothing special, nothing bad

Next one, 11:02 2nd qtr again #92 (like him, will look him up) this time crashes in, RT passes him off Denota Brown can't wall him off. Pressure gets there, Mac throws an awful ball into triple coverage which is a dropped int that two had a chance at. #92 flagged for cheap slap to the head, but I don't think that impacted the play, the pressure definitely did and he failed.

I'm not sure it's really a pressure but the next one is the video we've all seen where he rolls left, backpedals a lot and throws a sidearm strike to Devonta, it's the best play I've seen from him and ticks all the boxes, creative, out of structure and plenty of arm. Beautiful play.

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

I am going to be f**king furious if Jones is the pick. I can't state it strongly enough. NO GM/HC keeps their jobs giving up what the 49ers have for a Mac Jones type prospect. IF Jones is the pick, that will cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs because while I think he can be a decent starter he's I don't think he's going to be a star and anything less than a star gets Lynch and Shanahan fired within a few seasons.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

Fields is a generational talent... So yes, he would be worth it.

Generational? I don't see it but I hope whoever they draft reaches their absolute ceiling.

ya he isnt a generational talent at all

theres a prospect like him every 2 years if not every year

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

Because the physical traits you listed aren't what makes up a great NFL QB. He's a really good prospect but he also has big holes and question marks in his overall game. In fact he's got as many holes as you'd expect from the 3rd QB...that goes for Mac and esp. Lance too.

Here's Simms breaking down all 3 but more importantly, explaining his POV per what he knows about Kyle and what he looks for in a QB.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704

Originally posted by WINiner:
I am going to be f**king furious if Jones is the pick. I can't state it strongly enough. NO GM/HC keeps their jobs giving up what the 49ers have for a Mac Jones type prospect. IF Jones is the pick, that will cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs as anything less than Tom Brady like success will not be enough and while I think he can be a decent starter he's not going to be a star and anything less than a star gets Lynch and Shanahan fired within a few seasons.

So If Mac Is not the next Tom Brady then our Head coach and GM should be fired? Good thing 49er fans do not make these types of decisions.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Because the physical traits you listed aren't what makes up a great NFL QB. He's a really good prospect but he also has big holes and question marks in his overall game. In fact he's got as many holes as you'd expect from the 3rd QB...that goes for Mac and esp. Lance.

Here's Simms breaking down all 3 but more importantly, explaining his POV per what he knows about Kyle.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704

Accuracy and processing by themselves also don't otherwise Ryan Fitzpatrick would be great.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Accuracy and processing by themselves also don't otherwise Ryan Fitzpatrick would be great.

Most definitely. Which is why NONE of the 3 are "worth it."

Originally posted by NCommand:
Most definitely. Which is why NONE of the 3 are "worth it."

But rare skillsets matter more in terms of value so if you are going to make that move you gotta do it for the rare skillset.

Originally posted by WINiner:
I am going to be f**king furious if Jones is the pick. I can't state it strongly enough. NO GM/HC keeps their jobs giving up what the 49ers have for a Mac Jones type prospect. IF Jones is the pick, that will cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs as anything less than Tom Brady like success will not be enough and while I think he can be a decent starter he's not going to be a star and anything less than a star gets Lynch and Shanahan fired within a few seasons.

Because 2 superbowls just isn't enough

Back to Kentucky, end of 2nd, 4 man front, initial rush is picked up (so counts slightly less) but the edge comes free on a loop, Mac avoids him (very nicely) and throws to Najee in the flat, not special, but very good and dispells the (ridiculous) myth that he is a statue.

Next play, the pocket is getting pushed back so technically isn't a pressure, but he does speed up his process and make a good throw over the middle for about 10 yards, again pretty decent, but not special.

Next play (wow nearly three kind of pressures in a row) pocket getting pushed, and he rolls right, not sure he needed to but got out there fine, and looped a nice little ball to his TE Billingsley. Again a positive in the end but tempered.

Finished the drive with an RPO, fake WR screen, "blocker" release on a slant and a TD.

Only halfway in, but apart from what was one of the worst responses to pressure I've seen, was pretty good. When you're talking about one of the hardest things for a QB to do (deal with 4 man pressure and defeat coverage) pretty good is better than you can expect.

For me it depends what you actually class as pressure as if I'm being harsh it's 2, with one good play and one terrible one, but if you add the 4 other kind of pressures with good results it looks pretty good.

This is one of the reasons I hate PFF, it's subjective. Based on my personal view I could have anything from around a 29.0 grade to a 70 against pressure.

That would be fine if I charted every game and judged them the same, but what happens if one generous analyst grades a game Vs one stickler?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

This is why I use the word "desperation" for this trade. They have seen themselves get beaten up by high quality QBs. Their first choice was to get FA QB like Stafford or Watson which fell through. There was even talk about them trying to get Sam Darnold. They couldn't go into 2020 season with only Jimmy G as the main QB, because he is not dependable to stay healthy and the backups are ineffective. They had to make this move. Yeah they could have traded the house for Cousins or someone else - but because of the capital you are giving up for an older vet, it would be hard to sell to the owner. This is a move they should have made a couple of years ago. They have regrets about it, especially Lynch regarding QBs like Mahomes and Watson. Are the QBs in this class at the level of Mahomes and Watson? Most likely not. But they have to get on any boat passing by before the ship completely sinks. If the 49ers don't make the playoffs this coming season, it will have been 4 out of the past 5 years in the Shanahan era out of the playoffs.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

Because the physical traits you listed aren't what makes up a great NFL QB. He's a really good prospect but he also has big holes and question marks in his overall game. In fact he's got as many holes as you'd expect from the 3rd QB...that goes for Mac and esp. Lance too.

Here's Simms breaking down all 3 but more importantly, explaining his POV per what he knows about Kyle and what he looks for in a QB.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704

F*CK Simms, and you can't tell me that accuracy and arm strength aren't traits to be valued, and being that fast clearly affects defenses.

The question marks matter for evaluators, but the right coaching, situation and work ethic can overcome all of them. That's what makes him an elite prospect.

Same with Lance except the level of competition, lack of sample size and inconsistent accuracy shown on film knocks him to an unknown quantity.