Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

finished writing about Mac Jones (for tomorrow) and I am even further convinced there is 0% chance he is the pick for SF, and there is no good faith argument that he should be the pick for SF

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) April 13, 2021

Welcome to being me 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

That is exactly why i think Jets take him. Would Kyle take Wilson then ? Fair question.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

finished writing about Mac Jones (for tomorrow) and I am even further convinced there is 0% chance he is the pick for SF, and there is no good faith argument that he should be the pick for SF

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) April 13, 2021

Welcome to being me 2 weeks ago

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Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I am going to be f**king furious if Jones is the pick. I can't state it strongly enough. NO GM/HC keeps their jobs giving up what the 49ers have for a Mac Jones type prospect. IF Jones is the pick, that will cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs as anything less than Tom Brady like success will not be enough and while I think he can be a decent starter he's not going to be a star and anything less than a star gets Lynch and Shanahan fired within a few seasons.

So If Mac Is not the next Tom Brady then our Head coach and GM should be fired? Good thing 49er fans do not make these types of decisions.

Lol the next Brady as if finding the goat of qbs is that easy, I have a better chance finding a briefcase of millions than that bs happening. End of the day Kyle is a f**king moron if he picks Jones over Fields even Lance. You don't trade to 3 for a damn guy who doesn't flash elite traits and can't carry a team when things aren't perfect. This team will still have the worst qb in the division years later and I bet all 3 other coaches are praying Kyle is stupid enough to pick Jones. Jones does not scare defenses like a Fields and Lance can do

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Back to Kentucky, end of 2nd, 4 man front, initial rush is picked up (so counts slightly less) but the edge comes free on a loop, Mac avoids him (very nicely) and throws to Najee in the flat, not special, but very good and dispells the (ridiculous) myth that he is a statue.

Next play, the pocket is getting pushed back so technically isn't a pressure, but he does speed up his process and make a good throw over the middle for about 10 yards, again pretty decent, but not special.

Next play (wow nearly three kind of pressures in a row) pocket getting pushed, and he rolls right, not sure he needed to but got out there fine, and looped a nice little ball to his TE Billingsley. Again a positive in the end but tempered.

Finished the drive with an RPO, fake WR screen, "blocker" release on a slant and a TD.

Only halfway in, but apart from what was one of the worst responses to pressure I've seen, was pretty good. When you're talking about one of the hardest things for a QB to do (deal with 4 man pressure and defeat coverage) pretty good is better than you can expect.

For me it depends what you actually class as pressure as if I'm being harsh it's 2, with one good play and one terrible one, but if you add the 4 other kind of pressures with good results it looks pretty good.

This is one of the reasons I hate PFF, it's subjective. Based on my personal view I could have anything from around a 29.0 grade to a 70 against pressure.

That would be fine if I charted every game and judged them the same, but what happens if one generous analyst grades a game Vs one stickler?

I don't think your wrong in Mac Benefited from the line, i just thought you were wrong in generalizing it down to never gets pressured.

There are other times in that JTO series you can see regular pressure on Mac.

He gets pressured, and its wrong to say his line allowed NO pressure, because its does....with regularity. (his RG being the weak link).

That does not make your take on him dealing with less pressure wrong. No one could run that Bama offense with out that line. All those deep throw benefit from the general lack of pressure he sees...particularly on running downs. No team in the NFL could live with leaving the backs and TE in as often as they did and just run 2 wr patterns deep. I only took offense at the "never faces 4 man pressure" take...in that yeah....he did...you can see it last year watching the Ruggs tape, and you can see it this year watching Mac.

I thought the PFF was the best thing ever an got the subscription when it was talking up Bosa.....but when PFF is talking about something you actually watched...too often your left sratching your head.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Accuracy and processing by themselves also don't otherwise Ryan Fitzpatrick would be great.

people forget how fast Fitzpatrick's feet where.....I always remember that shuttle that year....Someone on the board was REALLLLLYYYYYY high on him.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

That is exactly why i think Jets take him. Would Kyle take Wilson then ? Fair question.

I think so, I think Wilson still gives you some more of that ceiling, just a beautiful thrower of a ball.

I have Fields higher, but I'd take Zach. Would be looking at Lance longingly though!

The only way I accept that Mac is the right choice, is if say Denver offer us more than we gave up, and he's the last one left #9.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

finished writing about Mac Jones (for tomorrow) and I am even further convinced there is 0% chance he is the pick for SF, and there is no good faith argument that he should be the pick for SF

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) April 13, 2021

Welcome to being me 2 weeks ago

love it

It's always a relief when derrick klassen affirms my position

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Most definitely. Which is why NONE of the 3 are "worth it."

But rare skillsets matter more in terms of value so if you are going to make that move you gotta do it for the rare skillset.

Like what?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

finished writing about Mac Jones (for tomorrow) and I am even further convinced there is 0% chance he is the pick for SF, and there is no good faith argument that he should be the pick for SF

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) April 13, 2021

This is the dude who went off on people for claiming that Carson Wentz was a better prospect than Vernon Adams. That Connor Cook was by far the better option over Dak Prescott.

It's not just that he had bad takes, he was slamming and blocking people for questioning his expert analysis. He's like Cian Fahey's spirit animal.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

finished writing about Mac Jones (for tomorrow) and I am even further convinced there is 0% chance he is the pick for SF, and there is no good faith argument that he should be the pick for SF

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) April 13, 2021

Welcome to being me 2 weeks ago

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Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

That is exactly why i think Jets take him. Would Kyle take Wilson then ? Fair question.

I think so, I think Wilson still gives you some more of that ceiling, just a beautiful thrower of a ball.

I have Fields higher, but I'd take Zach. Would be looking at Lance longingly though!

The only way I accept that Mac is the right choice, is if say Denver offer us more than we gave up, and he's the last one left #9.

If that were to happen, it would become a story told around NFL campfires for decades to come.. That would have to mean that after all that has transpired to date, Kyle, John and Peters completely changed their minds and direction.

But that trade from DEN would have to look like something none of us could even comprehend....a DEN Team wrecker for yrs.

all supposition, tho, as Jets take Fields.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Most definitely. Which is why NONE of the 3 are "worth it."

But rare skillsets matter more in terms of value so if you are going to make that move you gotta do it for the rare skillset.

Like what?

Like the one I described that you haven't responded to

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It's always a relief when derrick klassen affirms my position

You know what was funny? Peter Schrager today GMFB brought up the SAME article I brought up in here, the one where you made fun Ben Solak based off what he looked like....like I said maybe do some listening/reading instead of making fun of people.

you might learn something