Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by AceDuce49:
Ordered my jersey today!!

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Interesting: money coming in on Fields now. Last week Fields+600. Now, about even.....meaning nobody knows. But it's gonna be Fields.

4/29/21

Mac Jones-150
Justin Fields-120
Trey Lance+600

That's a lot of money coming in on Fields.

Yup. Smart people coming in.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Interesting: money coming in on Fields now. Last week Fields+600. Now, about even.....meaning nobody knows. But it's gonna be Fields.

4/29/21

Mac Jones-150
Justin Fields-120
Trey Lance+600

That's a lot of money coming in on Fields.

Yup. Smart people coming in.

Fields pro day is tomorrow. More money will go on Lance when it gets close his pro day. After Monday, when the Jones rumors start again, it will go back the way it was.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Interesting: money coming in on Fields now. Last week Fields 600. Now, about even.....meaning nobody knows. But it's gonna be Fields.

4/29/21

Mac Jones-150
Justin Fields-120
Trey Lance 600

That's a lot of money coming in on Fields.

Yup. Smart people coming in.

Fields pro day is tomorrow. More money will go on Lance when it gets close his pro day. After Monday, when the Jones rumors start again, it will go back the way it was.

That doesn't make any sense because we've know the 49ers were going to his 2nd pro day for weeks. That's not what's moving the money line.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Yup. Smart people coming in.

Yes of course folks who bet on this sort of thing and media talking heads have the intel into what Shanahan and co are thinking.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I sure hope that all the time that has been spent on which QB to choose, hasn't detracted from the time spent on our other 8 picks (or is it 9). That is a big downside i have wondered about since the first day of trade up. Instead of posting it as a thread, and mainly because of Mac, i just hope they have put in the time and effort on our remaining picks, esp thru rds 3 , 4 and 5. Probably got a CB in rd 2, less likely an OL, but i hope they haven't given the remainder of the draft short shrift.

Well if they get #3 wrong, it will outweigh all the right picks outside of the first round in the 2021 draft in my opinion. Having said that, most likely round 2 and on will involve more defensive players than offensive, and they can delegate those to the assistant coaches who will be coaching them anyway.

They have to get #3 right and maybe a little bit at the expense of the rest of the draft. Theres 3 number 1 picks locked up in pick #3 and they really can't afford to make a mistake at that pick.

Unless someone trades up for Mac like the pats, he's slipping to 15 or lower.

Originally posted by est1985:
Unless someone trades up for Mac like the pats, he's slipping to 15 or lower.

elway might be desperate

Originally posted by NCommand:
Big arm and fast 40?

Mac Jones will never be Josh Allen but 2020 Josh Allen was every bit as good as Mac Jones hopes to be at being accurate and processing.

Is Fields workout already tomorrow?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Most definitely. Which is why NONE of the 3 are "worth it."

But rare skillsets matter more in terms of value so if you are going to make that move you gotta do it for the rare skillset.

Like what?

Like the one I described that you haven't responded to

Big arm and fast 40?

Big ACCURATE arm and fast 40

Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Fields workout already tomorrow?

Yep

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Is Fields workout already tomorrow?

Yep

f**k.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I see a lot of "Mac Jones isn't worth using 3 1st round picks to get him"...I agree with that statement.

But are Fields or Lance worth using 3 1st round picks to get? Any of these 3 seem risky considering what the Niners gave up.

I'm actually surprised Kyle wanted to give up this much without getting the chance to draft Lawrence or Wilson. He obviously see's something that I don't in these other 3 guys...and I'm very excited to find out who he thinks is so good that he's willing to push his chips in. I think this whole situation is fascinating.

LOL. Exactly. None of them are "worth it" at 3 especially when you consider the odds of the 3rd QB even being a serviceable QB in the NFL.

But that's the price you pay to sleep secure at night for 3.

As a prospect Justin Fields is absolutely worth it, do productive 5 star recruit QB's, with a .50 cal sniper rifle for an arm, who run a 4.4 just come around every year?

Is he perfect? No, but as prospects go, he has everything a coach could want to work with.

Because the physical traits you listed aren't what makes up a great NFL QB. He's a really good prospect but he also has big holes and question marks in his overall game. In fact he's got as many holes as you'd expect from the 3rd QB...that goes for Mac and esp. Lance too.

Here's Simms breaking down all 3 but more importantly, explaining his POV per what he knows about Kyle and what he looks for in a QB.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704

F*CK Simms, and you can't tell me that accuracy and arm strength aren't traits to be valued, and being that fast clearly affects defenses.

The question marks matter for evaluators, but the right coaching, situation and work ethic can overcome all of them. That's what makes him an elite prospect.

Same with Lance except the level of competition, lack of sample size and inconsistent accuracy shown on film knocks him to an unknown quantity.

You do with your dick as you will. I won't judge.

Here's our own JD mirroring exactly what Simms said.

Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Well as much as I respect JD, I'd argue that Fields was more productive in his 2 years than Watson, and threw far fewer picks.

Only thing Waston had over Fields in college is he won the Natty (didn't play with cracked ribs or without his DL due to Covid either)

Also on the negatives, aside from pocket feel the rest can be taught.

Anyway this is Mac's thread so circling back, as I'm going through Mac's work under pressure I see a lot of the same things that are seen as negatives with Fields.

His footwork is better (but never done from under center) and I'm yet to see an instant pressure given up, his line at least holds up past his first read, that helps so much.

This quote from Kyle makes me believe it can't be Mac Jones at 3. At least that's my prayer!

"I'll say just, it's a risk every single year you go into an NFL season without one of those top five guys. It's very tough to win in this league and there's only a few quarterbacks that you're going to win because of just the quarterback. Very few, and even those guys still need a good team around them. So yeah, you've got to take risks. This is a risk we were willing to take. We looked at how our four years have gone. We looked at how we want the next four years to go and we'll look to where we're at in the draft and the options that are there. That's why I sit in there, looking at this stuff since January and going all the way through the process. We felt pretty strongly we were going to get left at the altar sitting there at 12, the way that we think this draft is going to go and the way all these candidates are, and the way a lot of teams are in a position trying to take a risk to fill that need that I just said about. Almost every team's in that position except, I don't know, 10 of them. So yeah, it's a risk, but that's every season in this league is a risk."

He said it's a risk for every team that doesn't have a top 5-10 QBs. There's just no way he can think that Mac will be one of them right? I wonder if he would consider ATL and MIN as 2 of the 10 teams that have a "TOP" QB? He also talked about the past 4 years (including the Super Bowl year) and the next 4 years being different? Can Mac be that difference maker? If the goal is to shoot for a top 5 QB, I just can't believe they can look at Mac Jone and Justin Fields and they would come to the conclusion, that Mac gives them a better chance to reach that goal.

The draft can't come soon enough.