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Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.
Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
Obama was a terrible president. Put our economy in the toilet. Why do they sell masks if only one race is aloud to where them. Should they put warning labels on them, "wearing this mask may cause cancel culture to ruin your life, and assert you a racist without actual proof"? Are black people aloud to wear trump masks or does this only go one way?

Seriously interested, let's here it.

If its so devastating to wear a mask that is sold to the public should we cancel the mask makers?

And this is why the Bosa thread had a no politics disclaimer. Take this stuff somewhere, this thread is not the place for any of it.
Originally posted by evil:
1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

Why are you making excuses?
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by evil:
1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

Why are you making excuses?

What facts are you presenting?
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by evil:
1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

Why are you making excuses?

What facts are you presenting?

EIther answer the question or don't respond. Thanks.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by evil:
1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

Why are you making excuses?

What facts are you presenting?

EIther answer the question or don't respond. Thanks.

No u.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

He scrubbed his social media accounts, so we don't know for sure that he doesn't have a history of posting this kind of crap. What we do know is that his sister's account had this photo and she deleted it after it was found.

Also, as far as the DUI goes, let's not mistake it for a one-time thing just because it was the one time he was caught. The CDC has done extensive studies on this and on average a drunk driver will have driven drunk 80 times before they're caught. In truth, we just don't know how often he drives drunk. We only know that on average more than 10,000 people a year are killed by drunk drivers and it doesn't matter to the dead if the drunk driver was just a kid making a mistake.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Apr 15, 2021 at 8:45 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

He scrubbed his social media accounts, so we don't know for sure that he doesn't have a history of posting this kind of crap. What we do know is that his sister's account had this photo and she deleted it after it was found.

Also, as far as the DUI goes, let's not mistake it for a one-time thing just because it was the one time he was caught. The CDC has done extensive studies on this and on average a drunk driver will have driven drunk 80 times before they're caught. In truth, we just don't know how often he drives drunk. We only know that on average more than 10,000 people a year are killed by drunk drivers and it doesn't matter to the dead if the drunk driver was just a kid making a mistake.

Pretty sure alot of conservatives scrubbed their thread when aoc said she was making a list. Doesn't mean he is a racist.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

He scrubbed his social media accounts, so we don't know for sure that he doesn't have a history of posting this kind of crap. What we do know is that his sister's account had this photo and she deleted it after it was found.

Also, as far as the DUI goes, let's not mistake it for a one-time thing just because it was the one time he was caught. The CDC has done extensive studies on this and on average a drunk driver will have driven drunk 80 times before they're caught. In truth, we just don't know how often he drives drunk. We only know that on average more than 10,000 people a year are killed by drunk drivers and it doesn't matter to the dead if the drunk driver was just a kid making a mistake.

I am not going to sit around and assume anything. Any and all red flags will be addressed by all teams evaluating these prospects and each team will draw their own conclusions. The only info we get is what is fed to us, teams will have access to far more avenues to get insight into any concerns.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

A DUI in your history is exactly what a history of DUI is. And it doesn't matter who posted it. He's the guy at the center of said racist photo. And now we are hearing about a bunch of scrubbed social media for Jones. What else was in there?

BTW, deleting those posts only deleted the link to them in the database, it doesn't delete them from existence. They are out there, somewhere.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

A DUI in your history is exactly what a history of DUI is. And it doesn't matter who posted it. He's the guy at the center of said racist photo. And now we are hearing about a bunch of scrubbed social media for Jones. What else was in there?

BTW, deleting those posts only deleted the link to them in the database, it doesn't delete them from existence. They are out there, somewhere.

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Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Lurker:
The DUI was Nov 3rd, 2017. Three and a half years ago.

Does that make it better?

There are 5 QBs being talked about at the top of the board. 1 of them has a history of DUI and racist photos. He's also the least talented of the group.

Seems like a pretty easy call to take him off your board.

1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

A DUI in your history is exactly what a history of DUI is. And it doesn't matter who posted it. He's the guy at the center of said racist photo. And now we are hearing about a bunch of scrubbed social media for Jones. What else was in there?

BTW, deleting those posts only deleted the link to them in the database, it doesn't delete them from existence. They are out there, somewhere.

One arrest, not a conviction as a minor and then a clear process towards redemption might be more valued than a perfect record.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
A DUI in your history is exactly what a history of DUI is. And it doesn't matter who posted it. He's the guy at the center of said racist photo. And now we are hearing about a bunch of scrubbed social media for Jones. What else was in there?

BTW, deleting those posts only deleted the link to them in the database, it doesn't delete them from existence. They are out there, somewhere.


Having one DUI in your past is having one DUI in your history. A "history of something" most often implies it happened more than once, as in habitual. It might be in his history but as far as we know he doesn't have a history of it.

Regarding the picture :

Who took the photo?
Who posted the photo?
Who is in the photo?
Did Mac comment on the photo?
What other facts can you present about the photo?
[ Edited by evil on Apr 15, 2021 at 9:13 PM ]
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
A DUI in your history is exactly what a history of DUI is. And it doesn't matter who posted it. He's the guy at the center of said racist photo. And now we are hearing about a bunch of scrubbed social media for Jones. What else was in there?

BTW, deleting those posts only deleted the link to them in the database, it doesn't delete them from existence. They are out there, somewhere.


Having one DUI in your past is having one DUI in your history. A "history of something" most often implies it happened more than once, as in habitual. It might be in his history but as far as we know he doesn't have a history of it.

Regarding the picture :

Who took the photo?
Who posted the photo?
Who is in the photo?
Did Mac comment on the photo?
What other facts can you present about the photo?

Is the photo indicative of race or the head of the opposing political party? Is a mask blackface... Why do you care about a photo you cant prove mac is in and not the multiple celebs/politicians that actually paint their face? Its sad the base of this team is situated in California, unhealthy mentalities everywhere niner talk exists
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by evil:
1 DUI is not a history of DUI's. And just because we haven't heard, does not mean that these other kids don't have things we don't know about. We didn't know about Laremy Tunsil's Marijuana use until 10 minutes to the draft when his Twitter was hacked and that video came out, some teams took him off their board entirely and some didn't.

He didn't post the photo so he doesn't have a history of racist photos that we can factually point to. All we do know is his sister posted the photo and she tagged his account in the tweet.

Why are you making excuses?

Dui's are a very serious offense - putting lives in danger. Yeah he was young. But still it was irresponsible. Does he drink a lot now? What he he done to better himself since then?
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"For me, that (DUI) incident was a transitional event for Mac," said former Alabama wide receiver Mac Hereford. "… He didn't go out anymore. He locked in and put his head down. He was balling before, but after that it was more of an 'I'm kicking ass and taking names' kind of vibe."
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And he is not the only one, for example:

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Former Mississippi State Bulldogs quarterback Dak Prescott was reportedly arrested in Starkville, Mississippi, on the morning of March 12 for driving under the influence, according to the Clarion-Ledger's Michael Bonner and Sarah Fowler.

Neither Prescott nor his representatives have commented on the matter, per Bonner and Fowler, but Chief Frank Nichols of the Starkville police confirmed Prescott was pulled over while driving a white 2016 Cadillac Escalade.

According to WREG News Channel 3's Eryn Taylor and the Associated Press, police records show Prescott took one breathalyzer test at 1:13 a.m. CST and another at 1:47 a.m. The first resulted in an "invalid sample," whereas the second rendered an "insufficient sample," per the report.

"I want to make a statement, and first take complete responsibility for my actions," Prescott told Ian Rapoport of NFL Network on Sunday. "I'm very remorseful for my misjudgment. I want to apologize to my true supporters, my family, Mississippi State University, the NFL and the kids who look up to me. I won't ask for forgiveness; however, I'll show the true man I am and exhibit my character through my actions and behavior going forward."

Prescott has been preparing for the 2016 NFL draft, which is slated to begin April 28 in Chicago, and as Bleacher Report's Matt Miller noted, the arrest came at an inopportune time.
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With regards to the photo, a 12 year old Mac Jones wearing the racist nobama costume, his parents are more to blame than he is. Parents, who allow a kid his age to buy or wear the costume or even that bought it themselves, and who condone this kind of behavior. This smells parents all the way due to the fact that most 12-year olds are probably not interested in politics. The big concern with this is how much influence they had and still have on him with that kind of stuff. This is not something to be taken lightly. You wonder if his African American teammates knew about it or what their reaction is now. Look at Bill Romanowski.

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Romanowski has been accused of being racist at many points during his career and after retirement. Various media critics have pointed to his fines for actions including kicking Larry Centers in the head in 1995, spitting on San Francisco 49er receiver J.J. Stokes in 1997, and ripping Eddie George's helmet off in 2002, as evidence.

Romanowski called Carolina Panthers starting quarterback Cam Newton "boy" in a tweet after Newton's team lost in Super Bowl 50 and Newton conducted a very brief press interview. He later apologized after he was accused of being racist.
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I'm not saying Mac Jones is going to do all of that stuff, but these are the type of red flags that alert you to do a bit more digging.
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