Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol yeah you're right there's so much talk out there on how Lawrence/Wilson play outside the pocket, scramble, and have designed run plays in a negative light like Fields and Lance.

you got posters in his calling out fields/Lance as one read scramblers and for whatever reason can't do the same s**t Mac can...but not a peep about Lawrence/Wilson who do the same s**t as fields/Lance. Not one single person in here would take Mac over those two. Why?

No one is talking about Lawrence or Wilson because everyone has them as a lock to go 1 & 2. Most of the talk is about who is going number 3. Which is why Fields, Jones and Lance have been put under a microscope.

I see Fields and Jones neck and neck with Lance behind them at a distance. I have Lance behind the other two because he is a one read and run QB. He reminds me of Kaepernick. While I like Kaepernick, I don't think that type of project QB is worth that kind of draft capital nor the number 3 overall. In fact, none of those 3 are really worth that kind of draft capital. Especially Lance though because he would need to sit a majority of his rookie contract in order to develop what the other two alrrady have.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right, but you're cool with the other guys doing it, aren't you?

Cool with what? Rolling out and making a throw to the front of the End zone? I mean if a QB can't do that then they can't play in the NFL lol.

ALL these QBs can play in the pocket. 4 of them over MORE. Why you don't want more is beyond me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If you don't think there's stereotypes based on athletic ability and skin color you're being naive. Haven't heard a peep about Lawrence/Wilson as guys who scramble or "breaking a rib" on a run...yet those f**kers spend just as time out of the pocket as fields/Lance. Those guys play off script more than those dudes. They have designed run plays all the same...Yet you don't have a single fan in here saying they would take Mac over them...why?

Because they are white guys so they can't be athletic right?

Not a single person has said Lawrence/Wilson aren't athletic...it's looked at as a plus by most for them...Yet Lance/fields it comes off as a negative in here for some. Like they can't read a defense or play under structure?

Lawrence/Wilson play off script or outside of the pocket probably more than fields/Lance, yet not a single person would draft Mac over them? That's not seen as a negative for them BUT is for fields/Lance....why?

Trevor Lawrence had 563 yards rushing in 2019 and 203 in 2020.

Wilson had 167 and 243, respectively.

Fields had 484 and 383, respectively.

Yet somehow Fields gets casted as a running QB who has trouble seeing the field. And the Mac defenders in here keep repeating this low key racist BS in here.

Lance is the only QB of the group that could be casted as a running QB, but all you have to do is watch a few games and you can see that most of his runs are designed. He's excellent in the pocket and throwing on the run.

Anyone who knows me knows how much I've defended guys like Alex Smith and Jimmy Garoppolo. The difference is we didn't give up multiple first round picks for those guys, so living with their limitations was understandable. Hell at least Alex could run a little bit and make plays with his feet. Jones is a pocket passer only and gives us nothing off script. The rules have changed and QB's are protected much more, we need to adjust to those rules. And for the hundredth time, when you give up this many picks to move up, it's for a home run, it's for a potential HOF QB. Settling for a "good" QB to run Shanahan's robotic offense is fine (although I disagree with that approach) - just not for this many damn picks.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right, but you're cool with the other guys doing it, aren't you?

Cool with what? Rolling out and making a throw to the front of the End zone? I mean if a QB can't do that then they can't play in the NFL lol.

ALL these QBs can play in the pocket. 4 of them over MORE. Why you don't want more is beyond me.

Right, but if the other guys execute it perfectly, you won't be saying this:

Slow motion noodle arm

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

We're getting elite traits with the 3rd best QB? Nice!

Truth is each has 'some' elite traits. It's about personal preference.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

But OK for Fields or Lance? Weak stance.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

We're getting elite traits with the 3rd best QB? Nice!

Truth is each has 'some' elite traits. It's about personal preference.

Mac has zero elite physical traits, the rest is debatable and hard to predict for any college QB.

Mac did play tennis with his family as a kid though, so his footwork in the pocket is amazing. Lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

But OK for Fields or Lance? Weak stance.

More pretending to know. They can't help it.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

Always the sure sign that you've waived the white flag in a debate.