Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NCommand:
Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Go read damn near every draft profile on him...what about him isn't maxed out? Explain it to me.

already has the mechanics and football IQ. He's already been surrounded by an elite coaching staff and probably the most dominant roster he will ever be on.

What can he actually get better at? Physically/athletically he is who he is. Arm strength is what it is. Only difference is the talent level and coaching he will deal with on the other side will be vastly better.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

Always the sure sign that you've waived the white flag in a debate.

When you can't help but pretend to know things it's pure comedy.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Then explain to me what he can legitimately get better at? Physically athletically he is who he is. His mechanics are sound already. Football IQ is already there.

He's already played on the best roster (vs his competition) he will ever be on.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

But OK for Fields or Lance? Weak stance.

Those QB's have the potential to do it ALL, so yes. Mac doesn't. Average arm talent, below average athleticism. If McCorkle was black he'd be a 4th round pick at best.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
When you can't help but pretend to know things it's pure comedy.

When you don't know anything and all your responses as basically making fun of other people...

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

But OK for Fields or Lance? Weak stance.

Those QB's have the potential to do it ALL, so yes. Mac doesn't. Average arm talent, below average athleticism. If McCorkle was black he'd be a 4th round pick at best.

And we're back to race baiting.

The only QB in this draft worth that kind of draft capital is a lock to go number one. All others either have question marks or didn't play against top competition in college.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

When you can't help but pretend to know things it's pure comedy.

When you don't know anything and all your responses as basically making fun of other people...

I agree I don't know these guys. Neither do you. At least I don't pretend I do.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right, but if the other guys execute it perfectly, you won't be saying this:

Slow motion noodle arm

Because he is slow motion and does have a noodle arm...instead of pigeonholing players based on other things maybe go watch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Then explain to me what he can legitimately get better at? Physically athletically he is who he is. His mechanics are sound already. Football IQ is already there.

He's already played on the best roster (vs his competition) he will ever be on.

He sure looks like he could improve a lot physically. He can literally improve in every aspect of his game, like any other collegiate player. Better movement in the pocket, learn how to read NFL defenses and make adjustments accordingly.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NO ONE is predicting how it will turn out. We're simply saying if we're going to give up all of that draft capital, then it only makes sense to draft a QB who has the potential to do it all. If we're going to go with a limited QB, then stay at 12, draft one later in the draft, or stick with Jimmy. No reason to trade up for just a "good" QB.

THIS!

all we can do is look at the prospects, do as much homework as we can on them and evaluate. You got 4 QBs with high end traits that can make them top 5 in this league at some point. We have a roster and a coaching staff that should be able to make one of them special imo.

There's a f**k ton of data pointing out that Mac is damn near maxed out and limited in what he can become. There's players in the NFL with the same attributes that are simply good not great QBs. We have one on this team currently.

A lot of people are hoping he becomes something that is simply not realistic. It's not like he's some 4 yr starter (4 yr player though) that's got this big body of work showing he's more than a system QB either. He doesn't have the elite traits to get much better than what he is.

I don't hate Mac and I'll root for him much like I did for every meh QB that we've been forced to watch for 20 yrs. I hope he becomes Brady. I'm also not living in a fantasy land either.

Now you just sound desperate. That's a ridiculous statement.

Pretty much every post comes off desperate. We know he's willing to make stuff up just to pretend he knows what he is talking about though.

Maybe he is "desperate" for a true franchise QB with elite traits who can carry the franchise for a decade or more. I am. Aren't you? Or are you okay with these Shanahan robots?

Yes I am. And willing to find out if Mac can be one. Not going to pretend I already know he can't.

Didn't have to trade up to #3 for Mac.

But OK for Fields or Lance? Weak stance.

Those QB's have the potential to do it ALL, so yes. Mac doesn't. Average arm talent, below average athleticism. If McCorkle was black he'd be a 4th round pick at best.

Ridiculous comment. You think because hes white he went from a 4th round prospect to a top 10 maybe top 5 pick?

i really am questioning your QB evaluation skills now

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
I agree I don't know these guys. Neither do you. At least I don't pretend I do.

Just because you don't watch, read, evaluate these guys doesn't mean other people in here don't...that doesn't give you carte blanche to call people stupid and laugh at them.

you want to take the wait and see approach and pretend he's got some untapped potential...have at it. Doesn't mean other people (a lot of people) can't have their opinion on him either.

Once again - none of us know anything as a fact. Not fans. Not the professional evaluators. We have no idea how these guys will pan out or how "maxed out" they are. Literally everybody is guessing.

I've read a lot of this thread but may have missed this thought if someone already brought it up. I'm technologically impaired or else I would put up multiple clips. Maybe someone can help me because I think it's valid and most of you know this play.

One of the many reasons why I don't think the pick is Jones is Kyle's play calling on 3rd/4th and short.

How many times over the last 3 years with either Jimmy, CJ, or Mullens did we see Kyle run his favorite shotgun run up the middle on short yardage situations?

You all know the play I'm talking about. Short yardage. Packed LOS. Shotgun. No fullback. Hand off. Right up the middle.

How many times did we complain about this call in the Gameday thread?

With Jones, Jimmy, and Rosen this play is completely worthless. There is absolutely no threat for the 49ers to anything other than run the ball up the gut.

Just an observation. Fields and Lance create more options and offer less predictability.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The only QB in this draft worth that kind of draft capital is a lock to go number one. All others either have question marks or didn't play against top competition in college.

Lawrence has some question marks too. If Fields was also 6'6, and let's face it, the black QB has always come with more scrutiny as well, Fields would be #1.

All 4 of these QBs are extremely talented and athletic, all of them could go on to have great careers. The 4th QB taken can be just as good if not better than the 1st QB taken.