Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Can someone explain what is considered athletic and what do we mean by it in football? Compare Mac and Mahomes 40 time, vertical jump, broad jump, etc. I don't see a big difference, looks like Mac has the edge. Serious question, I don't want a bias answer.

Their agility times are more important. Mac has some decent straight line speed for a QB, but he isn't in the same hemisphere as Mahomes when it comes to quickness and moving laterally.

thank you, very informative.

Originally posted by thl408:

Let's discuss QBs instead of discussing the way we discuss QBs.

Will do. Sorry saw this late.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's got talent, he's not some garbage QB. He will win games with Kyle similar to how Jimmy has.

his upside is not that or a top 5 QB though. There's a reason why guys with elite talent go high in just about every sport. Coaches think they can take all that upside and make a franchise high end player. Not sure why Kyle can't think he can't do that?

Assuming for a minute Kyle wants Mac, are you prepared to entertain the possibility that Kyle sees potential and talent in Mac that you're missing or at least don't weight as heavily as he would?

Also, what if Mac wins games with Kyle like Jimmy, as you say, but doesn't lose the games that Jimmy lost because he's a better and faster processor and doesn't throw as many bad balls or flat out missing plays like Jimmy has? Wouldn't that be just as good as being able to make plays with your legs if the end result is the same, more wins at the end of the day?

Originally posted by thl408:
Let's discuss QBs instead of discussing the way we discuss QBs.

This bears the discussion on how one moderates the discussion of QBs. And subsequently the discussion of the discussion of the moderated discussion of the discussion of QBs. ;p

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Poor guy hasn't even takin a snap yet and he's hated. Hell he isn't even on the team.

Let the real fans cheer for their team. The rest will bandwagon jump when we start winning.

Bandwagon lol. I've rooted for jeff kemp, Bono, Grbac, Dorsey, dilfer, Troy Smith, alex Smith, Garcia, JTO, Rattay, f**king Shaun Hill, Kap, Gabbert, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens, Jimmy etc...

sorry some fans are f**king done with avg QBs with limited ceilings...we've been waiting 20+ yrs for SF to make a legit play at a top rookie QB with elite talents and a high ceiling. Sorry we see other teams have QBs that can make s**t happen with unlimited potential.

what's so wrong with wanting MORE vs another system QB with no elite traits and a limited ceiling? It's alex Smith vs Rogers all over again (worse actually with what we've given up) how do you not see this?

My favorite guys. "I love my team more than you because I question nothing and I won't have any opinion that differs from my coach" 🐑

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Can someone explain what is considered athletic and what do we mean by it in football? Compare Mac and Mahomes 40 time, vertical jump, broad jump, etc. I don't see a big difference, looks like Mac has the edge. Serious question, I don't want a bias answer.

Their agility times are more important. Mac has some decent straight line speed for a QB, but he isn't in the same hemisphere as Mahomes when it comes to quickness and moving laterally.

You could also just watch them play. Lol

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's got talent, he's not some garbage QB. He will win games with Kyle similar to how Jimmy has.

his upside is not that or a top 5 QB though. There's a reason why guys with elite talent go high in just about every sport. Coaches think they can take all that upside and make a franchise high end player. Not sure why Kyle can't think he can't do that?

Assuming for a minute Kyle wants Mac, are you prepared to entertain the possibility that Kyle sees potential and talent in Mac that you're missing or at least don't weight as heavily as he would?

Also, what if Mac wins games with Kyle like Jimmy, as you say, but doesn't lose the games that Jimmy lost because he's a better and faster processor and doesn't throw as many bad balls or flat out missing plays like Jimmy has? Wouldn't that be just as good as being able to make plays with your legs if the end result is the same, more wins at the end of the day?

Kyle sees what he wants to see. Hes chasing that Cousins fix.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Poor guy hasn't even takin a snap yet and he's hated. Hell he isn't even on the team.

Let the real fans cheer for their team. The rest will bandwagon jump when we start winning.

Bandwagon lol. I've rooted for jeff kemp, Bono, Grbac, Dorsey, dilfer, Troy Smith, alex Smith, Garcia, JTO, Rattay, f**king Shaun Hill, Kap, Gabbert, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens, Jimmy etc...

sorry some fans are f**king done with avg QBs with limited ceilings...we've been waiting 20+ yrs for SF to make a legit play at a top rookie QB with elite talents and a high ceiling. Sorry we see other teams have QBs that can make s**t happen with unlimited potential.

what's so wrong with wanting MORE vs another system QB with no elite traits and a limited ceiling? It's alex Smith vs Rogers all over again (worse actually with what we've given up) how do you not see this?

My favorite guys. "I love my team more than you because I question nothing and I won't have any opinion that differs from my coach" 🐑

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mac will have to be Tom Brady for him to be worth 3 1st rd picks...

So what would Lance and Fields have to become to be worth it? Patrick Mahomes (the one who won a Superbowl)?

Or Deshawn Watson, or Josh Allen, or Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. There's a number of athletic QBs that can beat you from inside and outside the pocket and would flourish in a Shanahan system. Tom Brady is a unicorn and much harder to project his intangibles onto a young player. I'd say the likelihood of Mac becoming the next Brady is far less than Fields becoming the next Mahomes, or Lance becoming the next Allen.

Right? I'll take Herbert all day. Not many great in the pocket passers left in the league for a reason.

I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's got talent, he's not some garbage QB. He will win games with Kyle similar to how Jimmy has.

his upside is not that or a top 5 QB though. There's a reason why guys with elite talent go high in just about every sport. Coaches think they can take all that upside and make a franchise high end player. Not sure why Kyle can't think he can't do that?

Assuming for a minute Kyle wants Mac, are you prepared to entertain the possibility that Kyle sees potential and talent in Mac that you're missing or at least don't weight as heavily as he would?

Also, what if Mac wins games with Kyle like Jimmy, as you say, but doesn't lose the games that Jimmy lost because he's a better and faster processor and doesn't throw as many bad balls or flat out missing plays like Jimmy has? Wouldn't that be just as good as being able to make plays with your legs if the end result is the same, more wins at the end of the day?

Kyle sees what he wants to see. Hes chasing that Cousins fix.

Cousins fix.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's got talent, he's not some garbage QB. He will win games with Kyle similar to how Jimmy has.

his upside is not that or a top 5 QB though. There's a reason why guys with elite talent go high in just about every sport. Coaches think they can take all that upside and make a franchise high end player. Not sure why Kyle can't think he can't do that?

Assuming for a minute Kyle wants Mac, are you prepared to entertain the possibility that Kyle sees potential and talent in Mac that you're missing or at least don't weight as heavily as he would?

Also, what if Mac wins games with Kyle like Jimmy, as you say, but doesn't lose the games that Jimmy lost because he's a better and faster processor and doesn't throw as many bad balls or flat out missing plays like Jimmy has? Wouldn't that be just as good as being able to make plays with your legs if the end result is the same, more wins at the end of the day?

Kyle sees what he wants to see. Hes chasing that Cousins fix.

Cousins fix. . Getting off on inferior talent?, priceless

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by jcs:
Fantasy football takes are the whole problem with ninertalk and this draft.

Wrong. Please explain in your infinite wisdom what should be expected. But don't aim too high, wouldn't want too high of expectations from the greatest processing, most NFL-ready QB in the draft. Aim low to protect McPorky from scrutiny. Lol.

You know who you're talking to right? jcs was nitpicking Fields' pro day acting like his WRs had to stop to catch his under throws.

Yep, unfortunately. Has to protect his little Macky from reasonable expectations.

I finally reached the acceptance stage this morning on Shanny being in love with Mac... worked through the shock, anger, sadness, and now I am here.

If it is McCorkle then so it is, and I will support it because he is a 9er.

Any Mac fans in this thread that think he's the greatest processor to come in years should be advocating for him to go #1, right?