Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Four days til Mac Jones day! I literally can't wait, hoping the whiny b***hy half of this fan base finds another team to root for. These Mac Jones haters are the reason why I've had to deal with raiders fans calling us forty whiners my whole life 🤣

One thing Mac Jones can at least do is improving his body shape. I mean come on.
That part should be really easy if he´s serious about that sport. And that could improve his mobility even marginally.
He ´s not a statue at all don´t get me wrong. It´s just that behind that O-Line, he´d better be able to scramble or run a little bit.
That´s the ultimate paradox with Kyle with the Niners. He wants guys that don´t leave the pocket because he thinks his system can beat all defenses, yet he builds O-Line that are above average at the very best on pass pro.
And ultimately, that´s why people like Justin Fields because he´s a true pocket passer that can create off script if necessary.

Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

I think you nailed it. There's obviously some hope given we were just in the Super Bowl with Jimmy two years ago. It's the draft capital given up which puts a pit in my stomach. I don't even really know that Mac will be better than Jimmy. His tape showed such little adversity that it's hard to project how he'll do when he doesn't have such a disparate talent advantage. The same could be said for all the guys, but at least we've seen Fields face twice as much pressure per game and play twice as many games.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

This is the only part of drafting Jones that I appreciate. That Shanahan and Lynch put their careers on the line for this. Still, seems insane, but I appreciate the balls.

Originally posted by Zealot:
Assuming for a minute Kyle wants Mac, are you prepared to entertain the possibility that Kyle sees potential and talent in Mac that you're missing or at least don't weight as heavily as he would?

Also, what if Mac wins games with Kyle like Jimmy, as you say, but doesn't lose the games that Jimmy lost because he's a better and faster processor and doesn't throw as many bad balls or flat out missing plays like Jimmy has? Wouldn't that be just as good as being able to make plays with your legs if the end result is the same, more wins at the end of the day?

I'll root for whomever to be good, just like I rooted for these all-star QBs...jeff kemp, Bono, Grbac, Dorsey, dilfer, Troy Smith, alex Smith, Garcia, JTO, Rattay, f**king Shaun Hill, Kap, Gabbert, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens, Jimmy etc...

What you're saying Mac "might" be able to do with Kyle is fine...my issue is why can't Lance/Fields do that? All these QBs can play inside the pocket and process the field. The others offer MORE.

the whole deep ball debate is funny too...Mac can't make these amazing deep balls off structure or off platform. He needs his mechanics and has to step into his throws to get it downfield. His arm talent doesn't allow for anything but that...so when the OL doesn't PP...again, how is he gonna make all these high end throws? Kyle isn't changing the way he builds his OL.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Four days til Mac Jones day! I literally can't wait, hoping the whiny b***hy half of this fan base finds another team to root for. These Mac Jones haters are the reason why I've had to deal with raiders fans calling us forty whiners my whole life 🤣

Calling out fans as whiny b***hes? And saying we won't root for his team...lol grow up

Originally posted by est1985:
Any Mac fans in this thread that think he's the greatest processor to come in years should be advocating for him to go #1, right?

That one isn't happening. Fields can't even convince Urban Meyer to look his way.

But it is curious that if Jones was this brilliant QB prospect for Shanny's system how come NY isn't even talking to him? It's Saleh and Lafleur. They're literally trying to be SF East.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

This is the only part of drafting Jones that I appreciate. That Shanahan and Lynch put their careers on the line for this. Still, seems insane, but I appreciate the balls.

Is it balls or stupidity?

It's fine if you want to go get your guy but you have to acknowledge the compensation you're giving up for him.

Is there anyone who has Jones as a top 5 pick if it doesn't include the 49ers taking him at 3? Why make the jump to 3 a month ahead to the draft if you want him? This isn't giving a day 3 pick to get Beathard in round 3. This is moving from 12 to 3 in a pretty talented draft class while giving away 2 future firsts and next years 3rd.

Originally posted by pdc20:
One thing Mac Jones can at least do is improving his body shape. I mean come on.
That part should be really easy if he´s serious about that sport. And that could improve his mobility even marginally.
He ´s not a statue at all don´t get me wrong. It´s just that behind that O-Line, he´d better be able to scramble or run a little bit.
That´s the ultimate paradox with Kyle with the Niners. He wants guys that don´t leave the pocket because he thinks his system can beat all defenses, yet he builds O-Line that are above average at the very best on pass pro.
And ultimately, that´s why people like Justin Fields because he´s a true pocket passer that can create off script if necessary.

That's the reason for drafting an elite processor... It helps hide pass pro deficiencies. There's a reason guys like Manning and Brady were always among the least sacked qbs in the league year in and year out. It's not because the lines they played behind were constantly amazing. It's because of what they're doing mentally pre and post snap allowing them to get rid of the ball really quickly. IF Mac Jones is the pick then I'm sure that's a trait Kyle sees in him.

If Mac is drafted and doesn't win the division in his first year playing, then Kyle and Lynch should be fired.

No honeymoon when you go against what the fans want and don't get immediate success. The half filled stadium will be full of boo birds. Bad look.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Zealot:
Assuming for a minute Kyle wants Mac, are you prepared to entertain the possibility that Kyle sees potential and talent in Mac that you're missing or at least don't weight as heavily as he would?

Also, what if Mac wins games with Kyle like Jimmy, as you say, but doesn't lose the games that Jimmy lost because he's a better and faster processor and doesn't throw as many bad balls or flat out missing plays like Jimmy has? Wouldn't that be just as good as being able to make plays with your legs if the end result is the same, more wins at the end of the day?

I'll root for whomever to be good, just like rooted for these all-star QBs...jeff kemp, Bono, Grbac, Dorsey, dilfer, Troy Smith, alex Smith, Garcia, JTO, Rattay, f**king Shaun Hill, Kap, Gabbert, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens, Jimmy etc...

What you're saying Mac "might" be able to do with Kyle is fine...my issue is why can't Lance/Fields do that? All these QBs can play inside the pocket and process the field. The others offer MORE.

the whole deep ball debate is funny too...Mac can't make these amazing deep balls off structure or off platform. He needs his mechanics and has to step into his throws to get it downfield. His arm talent doesn't allow for anything but that...so when the OL doesn't PP...again how is he gonna make all these high end throws? Kyle isn't changing the way he builds his OL.

We really have had a parade of garbage QBs... I thought for a few games (specifically the first game after the SB loss to the Ravens where we beat GB that Kap was going to be the real deal) and then again during the JAX & TEN games in 2017 where Jimmy was planing like Cool Joe. But other than that, we're usually on the losing end of the "who has a better QB" discussion.

... and then we choose Mac Jones

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

This is the only part of drafting Jones that I appreciate. That Shanahan and Lynch put their careers on the line for this. Still, seems insane, but I appreciate the balls.

Is it balls or stupidity?

It's fine if you want to go get your guy but you have to acknowledge the compensation you're giving up for him.

Is there anyone who has Jones as a top 5 pick if it doesn't include the 49ers taking him at 3? Why make the jump to 3 a month ahead to the draft if you want him? This isn't giving a day 3 pick to get Beathard in round 3. This is moving from 12 to 3 in a pretty talented draft class while giving away 2 future firsts and next years 3rd.

Time will tell. No way to know beforehand whether you love the pick or hate it. That's what's gonna be so fun if the pick is Mac... Watching him prove the haters wrong or watching the whole thing blow up. Either way gonna be fascinating.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Four days til Mac Jones day! I literally can't wait, hoping the whiny b***hy half of this fan base finds another team to root for. These Mac Jones haters are the reason why I've had to deal with raiders fans calling us forty whiners my whole life 🤣

Calling out fans as whiny b***hes? And saying we won't root for his team...lol grow up

Starting petitions and threatening to destroy your own property because a football team drafts a kid who's barely old enough to drink....lol grow up

this is behavior I'd expect out of the that meme Eagles fan who got exposed for being a pedo

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

This is the only part of drafting Jones that I appreciate. That Shanahan and Lynch put their careers on the line for this. Still, seems insane, but I appreciate the balls.

Is it balls or stupidity?

It's fine if you want to go get your guy but you have to acknowledge the compensation you're giving up for him.

Is there anyone who has Jones as a top 5 pick if it doesn't include the 49ers taking him at 3? Why make the jump to 3 a month ahead to the draft if you want him? This isn't giving a day 3 pick to get Beathard in round 3. This is moving from 12 to 3 in a pretty talented draft class while giving away 2 future firsts and next years 3rd.

Balls and stupidity are very commonly the same thing. The question is whether it'll work or not.

If someone drafted Russell Wilson in the 2nd round, they would have said (oh you could have had him in the 3rd or 4th)... that's a pretty irrelevant argument. I understand the frustration, but if he turns into a FQB, then it's worth it in spades.