Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

I think you nailed it. There's obviously some hope given we were just in the Super Bowl with Jimmy two years ago. It's the draft capital given up which puts a pit in my stomach. I don't even really know that Mac will be better than Jimmy. His tape showed such little adversity that it's hard to project how he'll do when he doesn't have such a disparate talent advantage. The same could be said for all the guys, but at least we've seen Fields face twice as much pressure per game and play twice as many games.

I guess we wait and see. I just find it fascinating to make this trade for someone who's "probably" an upgrade over Jimmy. Is this really just a huge trade for someone slightly better, better durability (probably), and cheaper?

Assuming Kyle and John know Lawrence and Wilso are picks 1 and 2.

I read this process like this. Johnson, Kyle, and Adam all vlues the top 5 qbs in this draft very highly. Before the trade they may have had at least three different preferences as to who they feel is the 3rd best in the draft. Knowing that in order to get one if the three required a trade up. If Kyle preferred Mac and John preferred Trey as an example, then their discussions were how far do they need to trade up for either. They made the trade with all being open minded to the process and John needed to accept that trading up that far for what may eventually be Mac is an acceptable outcome because they pay for the insurance to get "their guy." I quote that because in the end all need to come to an consensus or support the pick.

That also means that if Trey impresses Kyle during the process then they moved up far enough to get their guy.

Either way, they paid to ensure they pick the best they evaluated. I had a hard time coming to terms with the trade to 3 I'd it is Mac because they didn't need to move that fat. Before the Panthers got Darnold, I assumed that John needed to move past 8 to get Mac. I started to get the feeling that Mac wasn't going to make it to 12 and I really wanted Mac at 12. Just had a hard time wrapping my head around the cost.

Now I have accepted it and can be excited again about Mac. I remember Bill Polian talking about the process to draft Peyton over Ryan Leaf. Not the same situation I know, but many in their organization loved the physical gifts of Leaf, but he couldn't pass up Peytons superior football intelligence. No one seems to be as immature as Leaf but if Mac has the same intellectual acumen as Peyton (similar or greater depending on who is evaluating) then I can get excited about having our QB be an extension of Kyle's genius mind. The closest Kyle had to perfect was Matt Ryan. What if this kid has the ability to perfectly execute Kyle's offense?

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

This is the only part of drafting Jones that I appreciate. That Shanahan and Lynch put their careers on the line for this. Still, seems insane, but I appreciate the balls.

Is it balls or stupidity?

It's fine if you want to go get your guy but you have to acknowledge the compensation you're giving up for him.

Is there anyone who has Jones as a top 5 pick if it doesn't include the 49ers taking him at 3? Why make the jump to 3 a month ahead to the draft if you want him? This isn't giving a day 3 pick to get Beathard in round 3. This is moving from 12 to 3 in a pretty talented draft class while giving away 2 future firsts and next years 3rd.

Time will tell. No way to know beforehand whether you love the pick or hate it. That's what's gonna be so fun if the pick is Mac... Watching him prove the haters wrong or watching the whole thing blow up. Either way gonna be fascinating.

I think it would be far more fascinating watch a guy like Trey Lance try to reach his potential, or see what new schemes Kyle can come up with with a guy as physically gifted as Fields behind center. There's nothing about Jimmy 2.0 that's particularly exciting if we aren't competing to win it all.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Four days til Mac Jones day! I literally can't wait, hoping the whiny b***hy half of this fan base finds another team to root for. These Mac Jones haters are the reason why I've had to deal with raiders fans calling us forty whiners my whole life 🤣

Calling out fans as whiny b***hes? And saying we won't root for his team...lol grow up

Starting petitions and threatening to destroy your own property because a football team drafts a kid who's barely old enough to drink....lol grow up

Exactly lol... I started this thing thinking the pick would be Fields and hoping it would be Lance. At this point anyone but Mac will be a bit of a disappointment to me for a minute just because I don't wanna root for the same team as these cry babies. It's honestly embarrassing. I know I'm from a different generation, was raised in the 80's and we view the world very differently than the younger crowd. But posting on this board leading up to the draft has really been eye opening. People who never played a snap of college football think they're more qualified to make this pick than the guy getting paid millions a year that has literally grown up with a head coach for a father. And it's not just that they think they know better than him... They want him fired for making the pick before the guy even plays a game in some cases. Lol it's too much. Forty whiners was fighting words when I was growing up but man if it doesn't fit now I dunno what does.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
If Mac is drafted and doesn't win the division in his first year playing, then Kyle and Lynch should be fired.

No honeymoon when you go against what the fans want and don't get immediate success. The half filled stadium will be full of boo birds. Bad look.

Lol, it doesn't work like that. He could care less what the fans want. You think if he chooses the QB the fans want and he turns out to be a bust. He'll say it wasn't my fault, it's the fans fault to Jed. Ok boomer

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

Sounds completely retarded to give away your draft future to end up with the 4th best qb again.

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

Sounds completely retarded to give away your draft future to end up with the 4th best qb again.

Are you saying my post is wrong or the idea of taking Jones?

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
If Mac is drafted and doesn't win the division in his first year playing, then Kyle and Lynch should be fired.

No honeymoon when you go against what the fans want and don't get immediate success. The half filled stadium will be full of boo birds. Bad look.

Lol, it doesn't work like that. He could care less what the fans want. You think if he chooses the QB the fans want and he turns out to be a bust. He'll say it wasn't my fault, it's the fans fault to Jed. Ok boomer

These posters can't seem to wrap their minds around that concept. I think it's because they're so sure of their take that Fields will be the next deshaun Watson while Mac can't possibly be any better than Andy Dalton. It's so laughable that no one seems to understand that in twelve months this draft and these prospects will be looked at entirely differently. So much more important to have gotten it right in hindsight then to get approval on draft day.

49ers ready to make their selection pick three, report says

Also, the leaks are still happening, as much as ever.

Originally posted by socal1632:
49ers ready to make their selection pick three, report says

Also, the leaks are still happening, as much as ever.

It also says that no one actually knows other than Shanahan and Lynch. They're "keeping their minds open to Lance and Fields, but the consensus around the league is Jones"

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:
Assuming Kyle and John know Lawrence and Wilso are picks 1 and 2.

I read this process like this. Johnson, Kyle, and Adam all vlues the top 5 qbs in this draft very highly. Before the trade they may have had at least three different preferences as to who they feel is the 3rd best in the draft. Knowing that in order to get one if the three required a trade up. If Kyle preferred Mac and John preferred Trey as an example, then their discussions were how far do they need to trade up for either. They made the trade with all being open minded to the process and John needed to accept that trading up that far for what may eventually be Mac is an acceptable outcome because they pay for the insurance to get "their guy." I quote that because in the end all need to come to an consensus or support the pick.

That also means that if Trey impresses Kyle during the process then they moved up far enough to get their guy.

Either way, they paid to ensure they pick the best they evaluated. I had a hard time coming to terms with the trade to 3 I'd it is Mac because they didn't need to move that fat. Before the Panthers got Darnold, I assumed that John needed to move past 8 to get Mac. I started to get the feeling that Mac wasn't going to make it to 12 and I really wanted Mac at 12. Just had a hard time wrapping my head around the cost.

Now I have accepted it and can be excited again about Mac. I remember Bill Polian talking about the process to draft Peyton over Ryan Leaf. Not the same situation I know, but many in their organization loved the physical gifts of Leaf, but he couldn't pass up Peytons superior football intelligence. No one seems to be as immature as Leaf but if Mac has the same intellectual acumen as Peyton (similar or greater depending on who is evaluating) then I can get excited about having our QB be an extension of Kyle's genius mind. The closest Kyle had to perfect was Matt Ryan. What if this kid has the ability to perfectly execute Kyle's offense?

Ryan and Manning had much stronger arms coming out of college which made them more complete prospects. Also, Ryan Leaf was a knucklehead while Fields and Lance are extremely intelligent. Not a great comparison, but I understand what you're saying. Mac, in Kyle's eyes, must have some mental wizardry that Kyle covets above all other traits. And if he's right, maybe he can cover his physical disadvantages. But I just don't think we needed to pay such a steep price for such a long-shot at greatness when the other guys seem like safer bets to achieve greatness with the right coaching.

Which means media really doesn't know either

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:
Assuming Kyle and John know Lawrence and Wilso are picks 1 and 2.

I read this process like this. Johnson, Kyle, and Adam all vlues the top 5 qbs in this draft very highly. Before the trade they may have had at least three different preferences as to who they feel is the 3rd best in the draft. Knowing that in order to get one if the three required a trade up. If Kyle preferred Mac and John preferred Trey as an example, then their discussions were how far do they need to trade up for either. They made the trade with all being open minded to the process and John needed to accept that trading up that far for what may eventually be Mac is an acceptable outcome because they pay for the insurance to get "their guy." I quote that because in the end all need to come to an consensus or support the pick.

That also means that if Trey impresses Kyle during the process then they moved up far enough to get their guy.

Either way, they paid to ensure they pick the best they evaluated. I had a hard time coming to terms with the trade to 3 I'd it is Mac because they didn't need to move that fat. Before the Panthers got Darnold, I assumed that John needed to move past 8 to get Mac. I started to get the feeling that Mac wasn't going to make it to 12 and I really wanted Mac at 12. Just had a hard time wrapping my head around the cost.

Now I have accepted it and can be excited again about Mac. I remember Bill Polian talking about the process to draft Peyton over Ryan Leaf. Not the same situation I know, but many in their organization loved the physical gifts of Leaf, but he couldn't pass up Peytons superior football intelligence. No one seems to be as immature as Leaf but if Mac has the same intellectual acumen as Peyton (similar or greater depending on who is evaluating) then I can get excited about having our QB be an extension of Kyle's genius mind. The closest Kyle had to perfect was Matt Ryan. What if this kid has the ability to perfectly execute Kyle's offense?

Ryan and Manning had much stronger arms coming out of college which made them more complete prospects. Also, Ryan Leaf was a knucklehead while Fields and Lance are extremely intelligent. Not a great comparison, but I understand what you're saying. Mac, in Kyle's eyes, must have some mental wizardry that Kyle covets above all other traits. And if he's right, maybe he can cover his physical disadvantages. But I just don't think we needed to pay such a steep price for such a long-shot at greatness when the other guys seem like safer bets to achieve greatness with the right coaching.

IT wont matter how high Mac's football IQ if Shanny continue to make them KNUCKLEHEAD calls when it counts.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

Sounds completely retarded to give away your draft future to end up with the 4th best qb again.

Are you saying my post is wrong or the idea of taking Jones?

Taking Jones. Have watched my 49ers since 1982. Live in N. Indiana and have watched J.Fields for years. It's not even f**king close. Unbelievable. .......Welp, it's leaking now. They are firing themselves if they take Jones. I hope he ends up being an all pro for their futures sake......

From a new report:
Complete bs

They're probably not telling anybody. Nobody in that building knows and doesn't expect to know until Thursday. But the coaches broke down Mac Jones, Justin Fields and Trey Lance this week together in a neutral process. I'm told they've kept an open mind with Justin Fields and Trey Lance winning them over. They had a good process, but there's still a decent amount of buzz league-wide about Mac Jones."

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think Jones will be the pick (and I'm on the "all others over Jones" bandwagon). If Jones ends up being selected, it will provide some interesting commentary on the Shanahan / Lynch era:

• Shanahan admits that the Matt Ryan / Jimmy G paradigm is his preferred method to winning consistently in this league;
• Shanahan prefers short/intermediate timing and accuracy over literally anything else. I have serious reservations about Jones' ability to consistently hit long passes in the NFL, but his deep ball accuracy does appear better than Jimmy's (but not as good as Ryan's).
• The SB window is open as long as Jones doesn't get paid like Jimmy, Cousins, or Ryan - so like 3 or 4 years tops. We'll also be talent deficit from our lack of 1st rounders.
• There's literally no value to having Jimmy on the roster if we choose Jones, we should ship him off as soon as possible and fill his cap void with some FAs as soon as possible.
• We go into the season with the 4th best QB in the division. Can Jones get better than Stafford... maybe, not arm strength, but possibly better accuracy and effectiveness. Can Jones get better than Kyler... maybe again, obviously not in the athletic department, but he could easily be a better pocket passer. Could he be better than Wilson... doubtful, unless he's the next coming of Drew Brees. In all seriousness, we'll have the worst QB with the best roster in the division. That may work. We did it with Jimmy (who at the time was probably the 2nd best QB in the division with Goff and Kyler as a rookie).

Sounds completely retarded to give away your draft future to end up with the 4th best qb again.

Are you saying my post is wrong or the idea of taking Jones?

Taking Jones. Have watched my 49ers since 1982. Live in N. Indiana and have watched J.Fields for years. It's not even f**king close. Unbelievable. .......Welp, it's leaking now. They are firing themselves if they take Jones. I hope he ends up being an all pro for their futures sake......

From a new report:
Complete bs

They're probably not telling anybody. Nobody in that building knows and doesn't expect to know until Thursday. But the coaches broke down Mac Jones, Justin Fields and Trey Lance this week together in a neutral process. I'm told they've kept an open mind with Justin Fields and Trey Lance winning them over. They had a good process, but there's still a decent amount of buzz league-wide about Mac Jones."

If they do select Jones, are Lynch and Shanahan immediately on the hot seat? They did just sign extensions?

I agree that their leash is shorter with Jones than any of the other guys, specifically because of fan perception, but is it an immediate process? The second Rodger Goodell makes the call, they're on the hot seat?