Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Burrow, Tua, and Herbert

Jones, Fields, Lance

Jones actually seems to compare to Burrow pretty well, but Burrow had a swagger that I haven't seen from Jones. Jones also relates obviously to Tua.

Lance and Fields relate loosely to Herbert, but I think that's harder to connect the dots.

Burrow can make off platform throws. He can turn chicken s**t into chicken salad. He's got a better arm too. He also actually made tight window throws

I agree that Burrow is a better prospect than Jones, but it's not a huge difference IMO.

I wonder how burrow turns out now with his surgically repaired knee? We all saw what that did to Jimmy and he didn't rely on his legs as much.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Burrow, Tua, and Herbert

Jones, Fields, Lance

Jones actually seems to compare to Burrow pretty well, but Burrow had a swagger that I haven't seen from Jones. Jones also relates obviously to Tua.

Lance and Fields relate loosely to Herbert, but I think that's harder to connect the dots.

Burrow can make off platform throws. He can turn chicken s**t into chicken salad. He's got a better arm too. He also actually made tight window throws

I agree that Burrow is a better prospect than Jones, but it's not a huge difference IMO.

I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

Honestly the top 5 prospects this year are all great, maybe 1a vs 1b type differences. We are lucky we get to pick which we prefer of the 3 that will be left after the first 2 picks. All 5 have the ability it looks like to be at least quality starters imo, I think a lot of which has more success than the others will more be about where they end up instead of who's talent out weighs the other.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Well, it seems that Shanny feels Mac has the intelligence and intuition to work his offense pre/post snap to it's optimal potential, with acceptable QB athleticism. I guess if you have waited 4 years to find this guy and you think you got him you do what you have to do to get him. I Shanny credit for having the balls to make this move.

This is the only part of drafting Jones that I appreciate. That Shanahan and Lynch put their careers on the line for this. Still, seems insane, but I appreciate the balls.

Is it balls or stupidity?

It's fine if you want to go get your guy but you have to acknowledge the compensation you're giving up for him.

Is there anyone who has Jones as a top 5 pick if it doesn't include the 49ers taking him at 3? Why make the jump to 3 a month ahead to the draft if you want him? This isn't giving a day 3 pick to get Beathard in round 3. This is moving from 12 to 3 in a pretty talented draft class while giving away 2 future firsts and next years 3rd.

Balls and stupidity are very commonly the same thing. The question is whether it'll work or not.

If someone drafted Russell Wilson in the 2nd round, they would have said (oh you could have had him in the 3rd or 4th)... that's a pretty irrelevant argument. I understand the frustration, but if he turns into a FQB, then it's worth it in spades.

I understand the point you're making but there is a substantial difference between drafting someone earlier than expected and trading up to 3rd overall while giving away 2 future 1sts and a 3rd to take the guy 99% of the people think wouldn't go top 3 without the 49ers taking him.

Ultimately obviously whoever we pick will have to prove themselves. If they play great nobody will care about what it cost. But people may always wonder if the cost that was paid was necessary.

I have no doubt that whichever QB we draft will be able to play well because they're coming into a great situation. What concerns me is where that player can get to in time and what the roster will look like once they're getting their 2nd contract where they're no longer on a rookie deal.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
What are you talking about? Most of the greatest qbs of the past two decades share similarities to Mac. Brady, brees, and Manning all were ultra processors without huge arms or ability to run. I mean these guys collectively dominated the league. I get it that right now you have Rodgers and mahomes at the top of the list but the only guy in this draft that is fairly similar to them in Wilson. Fields/Lance would fall somewhere in between Newton and Watson imo... Unless you feel differently. But I mean there's just no way you can sit here and say "there's so few examples of guys with his traits becoming great" when I can easily list more great qbs with his traits than any of ultra athletic stuff I think you're comparing him to. There's so few great qbs period. But the great ones often have super quick minds before anything else.

All of those guys have better arms...ALL of them had bad ass OLs. You think Kyle is gonna change his philosophy on how he builds an OL all of a sudden? He's gonna have too

Originally posted by footballxpaul:
Honestly the top 5 prospects this year are all great, maybe 1a vs 1b type differences. We are lucky we get to pick which we prefer of the 3 that will be left after the first 2 picks. All 5 have the ability it looks like to be at least quality starters imo, I think a lot of which has more success than the others will more be about where they end up instead of who's talent out weighs the other.

Agreed. It wouldn't shock or disappoint me to see any one of these three be the pick come Thursday. It's nice that Kyle gets to have his pick of the three guaranteed, that's why we paid the premium.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Burrow, Tua, and Herbert

Jones, Fields, Lance

Jones actually seems to compare to Burrow pretty well, but Burrow had a swagger that I haven't seen from Jones. Jones also relates obviously to Tua.

Lance and Fields relate loosely to Herbert, but I think that's harder to connect the dots.

Burrow can make off platform throws. He can turn chicken s**t into chicken salad. He's got a better arm too. He also actually made tight window throws

I agree that Burrow is a better prospect than Jones, but it's not a huge difference IMO.

I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

There is a substantial difference in the throws they made and how they made them. Burrow also had a better arm and much more athletic.

The similarity is in the fact that both had excellent teams around them and produced crazy numbers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
What are you talking about? Most of the greatest qbs of the past two decades share similarities to Mac. Brady, brees, and Manning all were ultra processors without huge arms or ability to run. I mean these guys collectively dominated the league. I get it that right now you have Rodgers and mahomes at the top of the list but the only guy in this draft that is fairly similar to them in Wilson. Fields/Lance would fall somewhere in between Newton and Watson imo... Unless you feel differently. But I mean there's just no way you can sit here and say "there's so few examples of guys with his traits becoming great" when I can easily list more great qbs with his traits than any of ultra athletic stuff I think you're comparing him to. There's so few great qbs period. But the great ones often have super quick minds before anything else.

All of those guys have better arms...ALL of them had bad ass OLs. You think Kyle is gonna change his philosophy on how he builds an OL all of a sudden? He's gonna have too

Manning, Brady, and brees all had better arms than Mac? And all that bad ass ol? I remember Brady playing behind some garbage lines. Manning as well. Of those three I think Brees needed a better ol than the other two, probably because of his height. Arm talent I'll just say coming out of college none of those three were touted for having a cannon. It's the main reason people wanted to see leaf go over manning.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by jcs:
I log in here and literally find 15 new pages all spewing hate....bravo guys

Your posts have a certain "own the libs" flavor to them. I definitely hope they don't pick Jones, but "spewing hate" is ridiculous. I just don't see the pick as good team building. Especially with special talents still available on the board and the bounty we surrendered to move to this spot.

It's easier to mischaracterize valid discussion so one doesn't have to defend their position. I don't see folks spewing hate. This is a huge franchise-altering decision that raises the stakes higher than any time in recent memory, and we as fans are going to get a bit heated when opinions differ. Don't like the heat, then get outta the kitchen (directed to person above you).

I think some aren't realizing just how immobile Jones really is. In the past 10 years, there has been 4 QB's drafted in the 1st round with similar or worse rushing stats as Jones. The 4 are Teddy Bridgewater, Jared Goff, Josh Rosen, and Brandon Weeden. That's not very good company......

Originally posted by roasthawg:
I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

Link? I've seen the opposite of that actually.


burrow got his knee blasted out in the pocket too...kyle gonna invest in the interior of the OL? Doubt it

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
What are you talking about? Most of the greatest qbs of the past two decades share similarities to Mac. Brady, brees, and Manning all were ultra processors without huge arms or ability to run. I mean these guys collectively dominated the league. I get it that right now you have Rodgers and mahomes at the top of the list but the only guy in this draft that is fairly similar to them in Wilson. Fields/Lance would fall somewhere in between Newton and Watson imo... Unless you feel differently. But I mean there's just no way you can sit here and say "there's so few examples of guys with his traits becoming great" when I can easily list more great qbs with his traits than any of ultra athletic stuff I think you're comparing him to. There's so few great qbs period. But the great ones often have super quick minds before anything else.

All of those guys have better arms...ALL of them had bad ass OLs. You think Kyle is gonna change his philosophy on how he builds an OL all of a sudden? He's gonna have too

Manning, Brady, and brees all had better arms than Mac? And all that bad ass ol? I remember Brady playing behind some garbage lines. Manning as well. Of those three I think Brees needed a better ol than the other two, probably because of his height. Arm talent I'll just say coming out of college none of those three were touted for having a cannon. It's the main reason people wanted to see leaf go over manning.

They all had better arms than Mac, although I don't remember Brady's arm coming out of college. If Mac's arm is average and Allen's is a cannon, then Manning and Brees are somewhere in between (arm-strength evaluators correct me if I'm wrong).

Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how burrow turns out now with his surgically repaired knee? We all saw what that did to Jimmy and he didn't rely on his legs as much.

Yeah he was fun to watch and a pleasant surprise. I think he will be fine since she's naturally more used to using his legs vs Jimmy who was not and after the knee, well he's a a statue.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

Former LSU quarterback Joe Burrow is expected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, but the Heisman Trophy winner believes his physical traits are "limited" compared to other quarterback prospects in the class.

"I think it's my mental capacity in the game," Burrow said last week at the 2020 NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. "I prepare better than anybody else. My physical traits are limited compared to some of the guys here. Everyone can see it.

"I have to be smarter. I have to prepare better and I have to know what's happening before it happens so I can play fast."

Burrow chose not to participate in drills at the combine. Those drills included a 40-yard dash, throwing sessions, vertical jump and more. They also gave NFL teams exact times and measurements used to compare players and decide who they want to draft.

Players could show off their strong arms, speed, quickness and overall athleticism during the exercises -- traits for which Burrow is not known

The former Tigers star led the nation in touchdown passes, passing yards and completion percentage in 2019-2020, leading LSU to a national championship. He is mostly known for his intangibles, like poise and mobility inside the pocket. Those factors can't be measured on a stopwatch or with a tape measure.

Burrow likened to Brady

Burrow has drawn NFL comparisons to Tom Brady and Kurt Warner. Brady also entered the league with what were considered limited physical traits and became a sixth round pick in the 2000 draft. Burrow was projected as a late round pick, as well, before his spectacular season at LSU.

Warner famously went from a grocery store shelf stocker to an undrafted free agent, signing with the St. Louis Rams in 1998. He won the NFL MVP award in his first year as a starter before winning two Super Bowls.

Burrow has modeled his game after another quarterback, childhood idol Drew Brees.

Burrow also studied other great quarterbacks to design his weekly blueprint before games. He tries to prepare exactly like Peyton Manning, Brady and Brees.

"I think it starts in preparation," Burrow said. "I'm really confident in my preparation. I feel like I prepare better than everyone else. That's why I'm so confident, because i feel like I know what's going to be happening on Saturdays before it happens.

"Hopefully, I can carry that to Sundays with the help of veterans and coaches that are there [in the NFL]."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.upi.com/amp/Sports_News/NFL/2020/03/02/Joe-Burrow-calls-his-physical-traits-limited-compared-to-other-QB-prospects/1291582914531/

If Mac Jones was at the same level of Joe Burrow last year, why the Jets don´t take him then?
Nothing against Mac Jones but it´s not the same talent.