Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Steve Young since we've had a QB we can be excited to watch, I'll throw in 2017 Jimmy's 5 games in too. And Kaps first playoff run. That's it. Yay.

Yup just 20 yrs of b******t and avg QB play. Passing on top talent for the Alex Smith's of the world.

I find It hard to believe that Kyle would be dumb enough to trade All those draft picks away just to draft a system QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If the sum is greater then the parts WHY are you giving up so much for Mac? If all you want is a system guy why are you losing a TON of capital to help make the sum GREATER? It's stupid plain and simple.

is what it is get ready for McCorkle...what a joke. The NFCW is loving this. GMs and FOs are loving that Kyle isn't getting an elite talent at QB. Whatever at this point. You have about 10% of the fan base happy over this move...I'm sure it will go over great

That's a really good point. It's why this whole Mac thing makes little sense. On one hand they're signaling that Kyle can win with a system QB and on the other they're mortgaging our future for that QB. You don't mortgage the future for that guy. You grab him at a good value when other teams froth over the high potential guys, thus keeping the rest of the team stocked with high picks. And if you miss out on the heady guy who is an extension of the coach, then you sign a Cousins or wait to draft him another time, or trade up on draft day without giving up two firsts and a third. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I can't make sense out of it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Steve Young since we've had a QB we can be excited to watch, I'll throw in 2017 Jimmy's 5 games in too. And Kaps first playoff run. That's it. Yay.

Yup just 20 yrs of b******t and avg QB play. Passing on top talent for the Alex Smith's of the world.

When you really think about it, it's a f**king miracle they appeared in two Super Bowls. Amazing actually.

Steve Young is 60. That says quite a bit.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean what has Kyle shown at QB to us to believe he's ever been correct at that position. Overall he's got a piss poor record at evaluating. Great play caller and HC. Talent evaluator not so much imo.

hibris and arrogance was brought up back when he was in DC. His b******t talk the past 6 months was just that b******t. He hasn't evolved and Imo we will continue to need everything perfect to have success...good luck

I guess we'll have to wait until Thursday to find out. I'm not quite ready to cede that Jones is the pick. If it's truly between Lance and Jones, then I have faith that Lance may have pulled away after pro days or maybe convincing from the rest of the FO. People mature, even morons like me. Hopefully Kyle recognizes the errors in his ways and remains truly open-minded.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Steve Young since we've had a QB we can be excited to watch, I'll throw in 2017 Jimmy's 5 games in too. And Kaps first playoff run. That's it. Yay.

Yup just 20 yrs of b******t and avg QB play. Passing on top talent for the Alex Smith's of the world.

When you really think about it, it's a f**king miracle they appeared in two Super Bowls. Amazing actually.

Steve Young is 60. That says quite a bit.

We're basically the Bears at this point and like the Bears we've decided that the solution to our QB problem is Andy Dalton.

Teams without great QBs since 2002: SF, Miami, NYJ, CHI, Jax, Oak, Cle, and Wash. Atleast we have company.
Lol

We dont want Mac Jones...

WE WANT CARR!!!!

Originally posted by Frenchfan:
We dont want Mac Jones...

WE WANT CARR!!!!

Derek? Same as Mac, if that does it for ya.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mac will have to be Tom Brady for him to be worth 3 1st rd picks...

So what would Lance and Fields have to become to be worth it? Patrick Mahomes (the one who won a Superbowl)?

Or Deshawn Watson, or Josh Allen, or Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. There's a number of athletic QBs that can beat you from inside and outside the pocket and would flourish in a Shanahan system. Tom Brady is a unicorn and much harder to project his intangibles onto a young player. I'd say the likelihood of Mac becoming the next Brady is far less than Fields becoming the next Mahomes, or Lance becoming the next Allen.

So one Superbowl riding a historic defense and absolutely nothing else?

Let's play an even playing field. If Mac has to be Tom Brady to be considered "worth it" what does Lance and Fields have to be?

I never said he has to be Brady. There's just so few examples of guys with Mac's traits becoming great QBs. Guys like Ryan and Manning had much better arms coming out of college. Maybe his arm talent improves when he puts more effort in his physique (why is this not a concern???). The other guys are already at an advantage by being far physically superior while comparable mentally to Mac.

Honest question, do you think Mac is a better prospect than Fields?

Your arguing neighbors did. Fair enough.

How about you? What would Fields/Lance have to do to also be considered "worth it?"

There's this belief one has zero elite traits and the other two have elite traits so this should be a really simple answer coming.

To be worth the trade, I think Watson, Wilson, Kyler, Allen, Mahomes, or Herbert would be wonderful analogs to be a considered a success, especially with the creative mind of Shanahan. I think that's totally achievable with either of these two prospects.

For Mac, I think somewhere in a bit better than Cousins and up to the unicorn Brady to be considered a success. There's just not a lot of examples of current QBs that lack both agility and arm strength to create good comparisons. Maybe Matt Ryan, but again he's not a good comp because he has a bigger body to withstand the rigors of the game and a stronger arm. I totally think Mac can be good if he's as elite as they say processing the game. That's one of the most important traits there is in the QB position.

It just sounds like there are two different sets of standards. One of your examples won a Superbowl off a historic defense in 2014 and nothing since, the other is a generational talent that had to win in the final 7 minutes against our defense that gave up 21 points in 5 minutes.

The others are young and exciting but haven't done anything yet in reality.

So let's call a spade a spade and hold identical standards.

In order for it to be worth it:
Mac Jones has to at least reach the Jimmy Garoppolo and Matt Ryan Superbowl level given most never get their team to the dance
Fields/Lance have to at least become Patrick Mahomes (the year he lost)

Fair?

The forum is going to shut down on Thursday if Mac is the pick. It will also shut down if Justin is the pick with excitement. Really hope the later is the case. When is the last time we had QB rookie/prospect to really be excited about. I live in Carolina and when Cam was drafted here there was lots of excitement. We all know how his career was going before the injuries.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mac will have to be Tom Brady for him to be worth 3 1st rd picks...

So what would Lance and Fields have to become to be worth it? Patrick Mahomes (the one who won a Superbowl)?

Or Deshawn Watson, or Josh Allen, or Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. There's a number of athletic QBs that can beat you from inside and outside the pocket and would flourish in a Shanahan system. Tom Brady is a unicorn and much harder to project his intangibles onto a young player. I'd say the likelihood of Mac becoming the next Brady is far less than Fields becoming the next Mahomes, or Lance becoming the next Allen.

So one Superbowl riding a historic defense and absolutely nothing else?

Let's play an even playing field. If Mac has to be Tom Brady to be considered "worth it" what does Lance and Fields have to be?

I never said he has to be Brady. There's just so few examples of guys with Mac's traits becoming great QBs. Guys like Ryan and Manning had much better arms coming out of college. Maybe his arm talent improves when he puts more effort in his physique (why is this not a concern???). The other guys are already at an advantage by being far physically superior while comparable mentally to Mac.

Honest question, do you think Mac is a better prospect than Fields?

Your arguing neighbors did. Fair enough.

How about you? What would Fields/Lance have to do to also be considered "worth it?"

There's this belief one has zero elite traits and the other two have elite traits so this should be a really simple answer coming.

To be worth the trade, I think Watson, Wilson, Kyler, Allen, Mahomes, or Herbert would be wonderful analogs to be a considered a success, especially with the creative mind of Shanahan. I think that's totally achievable with either of these two prospects.

For Mac, I think somewhere in a bit better than Cousins and up to the unicorn Brady to be considered a success. There's just not a lot of examples of current QBs that lack both agility and arm strength to create good comparisons. Maybe Matt Ryan, but again he's not a good comp because he has a bigger body to withstand the rigors of the game and a stronger arm. I totally think Mac can be good if he's as elite as they say processing the game. That's one of the most important traits there is in the QB position.

It just sounds like there are two different sets of standards. One of your examples won a Superbowl off a historic defense in 2014 and nothing since, the other is a generational talent that had to win in the final 7 minutes against our defense that gave up 21 points in 5 minutes.

The others are young and exciting but haven't done anything yet in reality.

So let's call a spade a spade and hold identical standards.

In order for it to be worth it:
Mac Jones has to at least reach the Jimmy Garoppolo and Matt Ryan Superbowl level given most never get their team to the dance
Fields/Lance have to at least become Patrick Mahomes (the year he lost)

Fair?

How does that make sense? Jones is worth it if he reaches the level of the guy we already have? Also, the levels of Jimmy G and Matt Ryan are two very different things. Matt Ryan was way better in his Super Bowl year than Jimmy was in his.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Lmao the fact that there is a legit petition is pretty hilarious cause people think that will make a difference.

Originally posted by 1swift:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Four days til Mac Jones day! I literally can't wait, hoping the whiny b***hy half of this fan base finds another team to root for. These Mac Jones haters are the reason why I've had to deal with raiders fans calling us forty whiners my whole life 🤣

Calling out fans as whiny b***hes? And saying we won't root for his team...lol grow up

Starting petitions and threatening to destroy your own property because a football team drafts a kid who's barely old enough to drink....lol grow up

Exactly lol... I started this thing thinking the pick would be Fields and hoping it would be Lance. At this point anyone but Mac will be a bit of a disappointment to me for a minute just because I don't wanna root for the same team as these cry babies. It's honestly embarrassing. I know I'm from a different generation, was raised in the 80's and we view the world very differently than the younger crowd. But posting on this board leading up to the draft has really been eye opening. People who never played a snap of college football think they're more qualified to make this pick than the guy getting paid millions a year that has literally grown up with a head coach for a father. And it's not just that they think they know better than him... They want him fired for making the pick before the guy even plays a game in some cases. Lol it's too much. Forty whiners was fighting words when I was growing up but man if it doesn't fit now I dunno what does.

All hail the perfect fan, roasthawg!

He's such a perfect fan he'd rather his team get worse just to piss of other fans.

Truly a role model for all.

"All hail the perfect fan, roasthawg!

He's such a perfect fan he'd rather his team get worse just to piss of other fans.

Truly a role model for all."

This is a really dumb comment, but then you are stuck making comments like this. I feel for you.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Link? I've seen the opposite of that actually.

I've heard a lot of people ask "why isn't Mac Jones getting Joe Burrrow hype despite similar stats?"

This chart comparing the stats of both on tight window throws is a massive reason why pic.twitter.com/KCdnnRY4El

— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) January 1, 2021

burrow got his knee blasted out in the pocket too...kyle gonna invest in the interior of the OL? Doubt it

Wait, you still believe a mobile QB transcends poor pass protection? You just watched a generational QB in Mahomes get reduced to a high school QB.

My stance on PP in SF is it badly needs to be improved no matter the style of QB.

You could make the case the more mobile QB causes more negative plays (INT's, fumbles, huge losses on sacks, penalties, etc.) because his instinct is to use his athletic ability to be a hero vs. just throwing it away to live another down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

Link? I've seen the opposite of that actually.

I've heard a lot of people ask "why isn't Mac Jones getting Joe Burrrow hype despite similar stats?"

This chart comparing the stats of both on tight window throws is a massive reason why pic.twitter.com/KCdnnRY4El

— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) January 1, 2021

burrow got his knee blasted out in the pocket too...kyle gonna invest in the interior of the OL? Doubt it

Plus — and I want to be careful how I say this — I'm not saying that he's Joe Burrow, but I've had many high-ranking executives tell me his film, just the film, looks just like Burrow's from last year
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/146362-pelissero-jones-good-draft-49ers-keep-trey-lance/