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Apr 25, 2021 at 12:09 PM
  • pdc20
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Sorry but this Grant Cohn´s video doesn´t make me laugh at all.
But I´m sure gonna laugh when Kyle will trash him for another stupid question.
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:10 PM
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Lmao the fact that there is a legit petition is pretty hilarious cause people think that will make a difference.


Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Four days til Mac Jones day! I literally can't wait, hoping the whiny b***hy half of this fan base finds another team to root for. These Mac Jones haters are the reason why I've had to deal with raiders fans calling us forty whiners my whole life 🤣

Calling out fans as whiny b***hes? And saying we won't root for his team...lol grow up

Starting petitions and threatening to destroy your own property because a football team drafts a kid who's barely old enough to drink....lol grow up

Exactly lol... I started this thing thinking the pick would be Fields and hoping it would be Lance. At this point anyone but Mac will be a bit of a disappointment to me for a minute just because I don't wanna root for the same team as these cry babies. It's honestly embarrassing. I know I'm from a different generation, was raised in the 80's and we view the world very differently than the younger crowd. But posting on this board leading up to the draft has really been eye opening. People who never played a snap of college football think they're more qualified to make this pick than the guy getting paid millions a year that has literally grown up with a head coach for a father. And it's not just that they think they know better than him... They want him fired for making the pick before the guy even plays a game in some cases. Lol it's too much. Forty whiners was fighting words when I was growing up but man if it doesn't fit now I dunno what does.

All hail the perfect fan, roasthawg!

He's such a perfect fan he'd rather his team get worse just to piss of other fans.

Truly a role model for all.

"All hail the perfect fan, roasthawg!

He's such a perfect fan he'd rather his team get worse just to piss of other fans.

Truly a role model for all."

This is a really dumb comment, but then you are stuck making comments like this. I feel for you.

No I'd rather trust the guys getting paid millions to run the team who have already taken us to the sb. If whiny b***hy little fans get weeded out in the process even better as far as I'm concerned. All in on Mac
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:11 PM
Damn, the parallels, tho.



Apr 25, 2021 at 12:13 PM
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

Link? I've seen the opposite of that actually.


burrow got his knee blasted out in the pocket too...kyle gonna invest in the interior of the OL? Doubt it

Plus — and I want to be careful how I say this — I'm not saying that he's Joe Burrow, but I've had many high-ranking executives tell me his film, just the film, looks just like Burrow's from last year
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/146362-pelissero-jones-good-draft-49ers-keep-trey-lance/

I'd question what film they've watched. Anyone have an example of Mac making a play like the one at 1:48 in this video?

Joe Burrow - Heisman Highlights ᴴᴰ
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:15 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2021/04/12/san-francisco-49-ers-trade-mac-jones-nfl-draft-kyle-caskey-detroit-lions/7191233002/
"I can see (why the 49ers traded up)," Caskey said Monday. "The way the draft works, I can totally see it. Especially if one of those teams has met with him like I've met with him and they see that kind of stuff, I can see where they would feel comfortable with that. He's a fairly safe pick. He's not a (guy) that would go off the rails or something."

"This guy, he's sharp, now," Caskey said. "He doesn't have the (Matthew) Stafford arm to him, I get it, but not a lot of them do. I think the mental side of this kid is, as long as he stays humble and where he's at right now and wants to learn, I think he'll be fine. Cause he's been asking me if I wanted to Zoom again and I'm like, 'You just tell me, we'll Zoom any time.'"

Caskey responsibilities as Lions running backs coach included putting together the team's weekly protection tape, where he identified different blitzes opponents might use and the Lions' counters to those rushes. He said Jones showed an uncanny ability to recognize blitzes and talk through the protections.
"It was a great game to talk about blitz diagnosis and seeing rotations and different things, cause they had every blitz known to man, every different front," Caskey said. "They just were having fun with us that day. And then that's not even to say that (Tom) Brady threw for 390 yards in the first half or whatever.

As an example, Caskey pointed to Jones' detailed dissection of double-A gap blitz concepts, where defenses deploy two linebackers on either side of the center and blitz from a variety of spots in the front seven.
"He started talking about those and how they picked them up and all the different pick games that guys run inside," Caskey said. "And he's like, 'Man, this one where they bring both the end and the tackle in and they step them up and they loop them around,' he goes, 'We never could pick that up.' It was cool to see him explain things."

Most NFL observers expect Jones to be the third quarterback off the board, ahead of Fields and Lance, and Caskey said Jones seems like a good fit for Shanahan's offense in San Francisco.
"Really, the guy is one of the smarter guys that I've been around at this point in his career," Caskey said. "He knows languages within different systems and he's spitting out different teams' offenses. He knew, when I would bring up these crazy blitzes that we had to pick up in the NFL and I would show him video, he would diagnose quite a few of them. There were a few I needed to kind of push him a little bit on, but he really sees things at a much higher level than a lot of people that I've seen come out as a rookie quarterback, and the good thing about that is, that's going to help him play faster, quicker.

"Once he gets into a system and he knows, that's my language, I think he's going to be pretty good right off the bat. If he does end up having to sit behind somebody, it won't be for very long."

There's a WZ reality. And then there's a real reality.

And my sources say they aren't the same.
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:16 PM
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
If Mac is drafted and doesn't win the division in his first year playing, then Kyle and Lynch should be fired.

No honeymoon when you go against what the fans want and don't get immediate success. The half filled stadium will be full of boo birds. Bad look.

Lol, it doesn't work like that. He could care less what the fans want. You think if he chooses the QB the fans want and he turns out to be a bust. He'll say it wasn't my fault, it's the fans fault to Jed. Ok boomer

I think you don't know how this works. Guess who pays the bills for a football team. The fans. They stop showing up, stop tuning in, and stop buying merch and guess who quick the owner is going to s**t-can everyone involved.

But please, do go on about how owners don't care about what fans think about the team.

You trade up with all that draft capital, and then draft a guy 95% of the fans HATE, and then the team is worse than when the guy he replaced was there.....What's there to look forward to? You aren't getting any new players because you don't have picks and can't afford high priced FA's and they don't want to come anyway.

You better be damn sure he's going to be Manning or else you're fired and nobody is EVER going to hire either of them to run a franchise again.

Great! So when the pick is Jones we can say good bye to all of you whiney, b***hy, 'fans'. Not to worry though, as the team continues to play winning football, others will fill the seat that you vacated and life will go on. You can sit on your couch on Sundays watching some team, all happy in the knowledge that yu are SMARTER than the brain trust of a multi billion dollar company. Congratulations!
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:17 PM
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Apr 25, 2021 at 12:18 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Wait, you still believe a mobile QB transcends poor pass protection? You just watched a generational QB in Mahomes get reduced to a high school QB.

My stance on PP in SF is it badly needs to be improved no matter the style of QB.

You could make the case the more mobile QB causes more negative plays (INT's, fumbles, huge losses on sacks, penalties, etc.) because his instinct is to use his athletic ability to be a hero vs. just throwing it away to live another down.

I believe being able to make throws off platform and not needing a clean pocket to set your feet is important when you don't have a top OL. Especially when your a young QB in the NFL

Like Cosell said Mac simple can't do this...he will need a top end OL and if Kyle isn't gonna invest...then what? It will be no different then what we had with Jimmy. Plain and simple. Throwing it to live another down doesn't win games if you have to do it all the time because the OL isn't great.
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:18 PM
Originally posted by jcs:

What does this have to do with anything?
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Damn, the parallels, tho.




Welp, that's a wrap. Mac it is! lol, but in all seriousness, that was a leak. Have we had a leak? Right now, we're all worried if there was actually a leak or not. If there was an unreported leak and that's why everyone's running with Jones, then yeah.. it's him. Otherwise, I would guess Fields or Lance.

I'M STILL GOING INSANE MAN. WHO? WHO IS IT!?! I NEED ANSWERS!!! Lance - greatest upside in the class, yet the highest risk. Fields - most talented in the class, but questions about consistency working under pressure. Mac Jones - lowest risk of totally busting, highest floor, but the least physically gifted and seems to have limited upside overall.
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:19 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mac will have to be Tom Brady for him to be worth 3 1st rd picks...

So what would Lance and Fields have to become to be worth it? Patrick Mahomes (the one who won a Superbowl)?

Or Deshawn Watson, or Josh Allen, or Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. There's a number of athletic QBs that can beat you from inside and outside the pocket and would flourish in a Shanahan system. Tom Brady is a unicorn and much harder to project his intangibles onto a young player. I'd say the likelihood of Mac becoming the next Brady is far less than Fields becoming the next Mahomes, or Lance becoming the next Allen.

So one Superbowl riding a historic defense and absolutely nothing else?

Let's play an even playing field. If Mac has to be Tom Brady to be considered "worth it" what does Lance and Fields have to be?

I never said he has to be Brady. There's just so few examples of guys with Mac's traits becoming great QBs. Guys like Ryan and Manning had much better arms coming out of college. Maybe his arm talent improves when he puts more effort in his physique (why is this not a concern???). The other guys are already at an advantage by being far physically superior while comparable mentally to Mac.

Honest question, do you think Mac is a better prospect than Fields?

Your arguing neighbors did. Fair enough.

How about you? What would Fields/Lance have to do to also be considered "worth it?"

There's this belief one has zero elite traits and the other two have elite traits so this should be a really simple answer coming.

To be worth the trade, I think Watson, Wilson, Kyler, Allen, Mahomes, or Herbert would be wonderful analogs to be a considered a success, especially with the creative mind of Shanahan. I think that's totally achievable with either of these two prospects.

For Mac, I think somewhere in a bit better than Cousins and up to the unicorn Brady to be considered a success. There's just not a lot of examples of current QBs that lack both agility and arm strength to create good comparisons. Maybe Matt Ryan, but again he's not a good comp because he has a bigger body to withstand the rigors of the game and a stronger arm. I totally think Mac can be good if he's as elite as they say processing the game. That's one of the most important traits there is in the QB position.

It just sounds like there are two different sets of standards. One of your examples won a Superbowl off a historic defense in 2014 and nothing since, the other is a generational talent that had to win in the final 7 minutes against our defense that gave up 21 points in 5 minutes.

The others are young and exciting but haven't done anything yet in reality.

So let's call a spade a spade and hold identical standards.

In order for it to be worth it:
Mac Jones has to at least reach the Jimmy Garoppolo and Matt Ryan Superbowl level given most never get their team to the dance
Fields/Lance have to at least become Patrick Mahomes (the year he lost)

Fair?

I am not bringing Super Bowls into this argument as there are lots of factors outside of QB play.

If you trade two firsts and a third, you want your QB to be better than Jimmy or Cousins at their best. Better than cousins, somewhere in the Ryan/Rivers (moderate stars) to Brees/Brady (future HOFers) arena for Jones.

For Lance/Fields somewhere between Watson/Allen (young stars) to Wilson/Mahomes/Young (future/current HOFers).

Like I said elsewhere, elite physical traits has become a feature of QB play rather than a crutch. We're seeing a renaissance of QB play as the league transitions to pocket passers who have elite physical traits. This is why there's a bunch of young budding stars, almost all possessing great physical gifts. Not saying that guys who do not possess those physical gifts cannot be successful and win SBs (obviously the can), but the game is evolving and teams are seeking Tom Brady with elite speed and agility.
[ Edited by Chance on Apr 25, 2021 at 12:25 PM ]
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:19 PM
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The biggest thing for me about Jones - is he just has to lose some weight. It'll help in his conditioning and maybe after a weight lifting program, add some velocity to his throws.
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:19 PM
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
If Mac is drafted and doesn't win the division in his first year playing, then Kyle and Lynch should be fired.

No honeymoon when you go against what the fans want and don't get immediate success. The half filled stadium will be full of boo birds. Bad look.

Lol, it doesn't work like that. He could care less what the fans want. You think if he chooses the QB the fans want and he turns out to be a bust. He'll say it wasn't my fault, it's the fans fault to Jed. Ok boomer

I think you don't know how this works. Guess who pays the bills for a football team. The fans. They stop showing up, stop tuning in, and stop buying merch and guess who quick the owner is going to s**t-can everyone involved.

But please, do go on about how owners don't care about what fans think about the team.

You trade up with all that draft capital, and then draft a guy 95% of the fans HATE, and then the team is worse than when the guy he replaced was there.....What's there to look forward to? You aren't getting any new players because you don't have picks and can't afford high priced FA's and they don't want to come anyway.

You better be damn sure he's going to be Manning or else you're fired and nobody is EVER going to hire either of them to run a franchise again.

Great! So when the pick is Jones we can say good bye to all of you whiney, b***hy, 'fans'. Not to worry though, as the team continues to play winning football, others will fill the seat that you vacated and life will go on. You can sit on your couch on Sundays watching some team, all happy in the knowledge that yu are SMARTER than the brain trust of a multi billion dollar company. Congratulations!

Did you make this same argument when they hired Tomsula to be the next HC?
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:21 PM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
I see a lot of burrow in Jones as well. Really similar imo. I read an article last week that a lot of nfl guys are making the comparison too.

Link? I've seen the opposite of that actually.


burrow got his knee blasted out in the pocket too...kyle gonna invest in the interior of the OL? Doubt it

Plus — and I want to be careful how I say this — I'm not saying that he's Joe Burrow, but I've had many high-ranking executives tell me his film, just the film, looks just like Burrow's from last year
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/146362-pelissero-jones-good-draft-49ers-keep-trey-lance/

I'd question what film they've watched. Anyone have an example of Mac making a play like the one at 1:48 in this video?

Joe Burrow - Heisman Highlights ᴴᴰ

Lol you keep questioning high ranking executives if that makes you happy. That's above my pay grade!
Apr 25, 2021 at 12:21 PM
Originally posted by mayo49:
The biggest thing for me about Jones - is he just has to lose some weight. It'll help in his conditioning and maybe after a weight lifting program, add some velocity to his throws.

Maybe. Someone was saying he was last weighed in at around 260. I imagine that the 49ers will want him to get down to about 210-220.
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