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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Chance:
Again, you're mischaracterizing my argument. I won't argue with a strawman, but I hope you've enjoyed searching for pics of shirtless QBs.

I understand the argument but you're acting like everyone builds muscle at the same rate and you just need to spend X amount of hours in the gym and it doesn't work that way. Some people just have far better genetics for it, some people struggle to put on any real muscle period. From my experience, its not at all uncommon for guys who have been skinny all their lives to go nuts trying to build muscle so they go on some crazy bulking diet, eating 7,000-8,000 calories a day and the end result is that they wind up stronger but looking skinny chubby.

Jones seems to have the bodytype where he's probably not going to ever be very muscular unless he starts dipping into the Barry Bonds flaxseed oil stash.


but I hope you've enjoyed searching for pics of shirtless QBs.
Lol

No I get what you're saying. I totally understand being lean and growing into your frame as you mature. But I don't get having baby fat as a 22 year old seeking to be a world class athlete. Maybe he's more agile if spends more time working out (not necessarily hitting the weights). Maybe his arm is stronger and there's less question to whether he can make all the throws at the next level. I don't really know what he does to prepare, but I do know that the picture of him shirtless with a cigar is a bit of a concern. Not enough to not draft him, mind you, but maybe another notch in favor of Lance/Fields at three instead.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This guy is in absolutely incredible shape...injured all the time.



Brady doesn't believe that QB's should be lifting weights period......he's 80 years old and still playing in the NFL.

And Brady is the exception not the rule. I don't care about the body that much anyway. I do want a QB that is in shape and not working out on a PT spin wheel to do lunges lol.

I just don't think he's a very big QB overall. Toss in the overall lack of athletic ability and a piss poor PP line

A few posts back was a clip of him doing split squats with 405lbs. Dudes plenty strong.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This guy is in absolutely incredible shape...injured all the time.



Brady doesn't believe that QB's should be lifting weights period......he's 80 years old and still playing in the NFL.

And Brady is the exception not the rule. I don't care about the body that much anyway. I do want a QB that is in shape and not working out on a PT spin wheel to do lunges lol.

I just don't think he's a very big QB overall. Toss in the overall lack of athletic ability and a piss poor PP line

There's several red flags on his poor physique. 1, he either just didn't care that much and doesn't think it matters or 2, he's sort of oddly chubby because in actuality he's a super skinny body type and he had to try and bulk by keeping his calories up. These are different issues but neither is ideal
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
We're going in circles. I get it, I just don't think that the "group think" answer would resonate on Jones without some team information (either leak or smokescreen)

Back in 2016, there were rumors coming from all over that the Chargers would take someone else besides Joey Bosa. It became a near consensus that they would be drafting a tackle or some other position. Come draft day, the Chargers did the obvious thing and took Bosa. They didn't leak a thing the entire time but their GM admitted that he and the scouts found it amusing how the media just ran with it, coming up with wacky scenarios that were completely detached from their own draft board. Bosa had always been their guy yet those in the media were convinced that it would be anyone but him.

These are some of the final mock draft prior to that draft...turns out people in the media knew exactly nada.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2636003-2016-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-final-7-round-picks

https://www.nfl.com/news/2016-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-0ap3000000655072

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15309087/2016-nfl-draft-nfl-nation-mock-draft-picks-results-order

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15416803/mel-kiper-final-2016-nfl-mock-draft-picks-results

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/other-sports/list/2016-nfl-draft-final-mock-draft-ezekiel-elliott-jalen-ramsey-deforest-buckner-paxton-lynch-cowboys-chargers/ibl6ff16zxzg1mw2bmkncu65r/3

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2016-nfl-mock-draft-real-drama-begins-with-chargers-pick-at-no-3/

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/04/26/inside-pylons-2016-final-nfl-mock-draft-rounds-1-3/
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What worries me a little bit with Mac´s physique is his legs actually. They´re skinny in my mind.
And in NFL, more than anything, the lower part of the body is important I think.
Originally posted by 1swift:
There's several red flags on his poor physique. 1, he either just didn't care that much and doesn't think it matters or 2, he's sort of oddly chubby because in actuality he's a super skinny body type and he had to try and bulk by keeping his calories up. These are different issues but neither is ideal

It was the second one. He had a goal of putting mass on and he overshot it like a lot of skinny guys do by eating way too much. He's clearly got a what used to be considered an ectomorphic bodytype. The best approach for him is to get hooked up with Brady's people. Not a fan of the pliability approach but for QB's its entirely workable
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
We're going in circles. I get it, I just don't think that the "group think" answer would resonate on Jones without some team information (either leak or smokescreen)

Back in 2016, there were rumors coming from all over that the Chargers would take someone else besides Joey Bosa. It became a near consensus that they would be drafting a tackle or some other position. Come draft day, the Chargers did the obvious thing and took Bosa. They didn't leak a thing the entire time but their GM admitted that he and the scouts found it amusing how the media just ran with it, coming up with wacky scenarios that were completely detached from their own draft board. Bosa had always been their guy yet those in the media were convinced that it would be anyone but him.

These are some of the final mock draft prior to that draft...turns out people in the media knew exactly nada.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2636003-2016-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-final-7-round-picks

https://www.nfl.com/news/2016-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-0ap3000000655072

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15309087/2016-nfl-draft-nfl-nation-mock-draft-picks-results-order

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15416803/mel-kiper-final-2016-nfl-mock-draft-picks-results

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/other-sports/list/2016-nfl-draft-final-mock-draft-ezekiel-elliott-jalen-ramsey-deforest-buckner-paxton-lynch-cowboys-chargers/ibl6ff16zxzg1mw2bmkncu65r/3

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2016-nfl-mock-draft-real-drama-begins-with-chargers-pick-at-no-3/

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/04/26/inside-pylons-2016-final-nfl-mock-draft-rounds-1-3/

Bosa was considered a top-5 talent. I don't see the connection. Jones is widely considered NOT a top-5 talent. I think we'll take him at 3, but if we pass on him, I'd be very interested to see where he'd end up.
Originally posted by pdc20:
What worries me a little bit with Mac´s physique is his legs actually. They´re skinny in my mind.
And in NFL, more than anything, the lower part of the body is important I think.

Trevor Lawrence is 6'6" and weighs the same as Jones and Zach Wilson even though they are both 3 inches shorter yet no one talk about how crazy lanky he is.
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Originally posted by pdc20:
What worries me a little bit with Mac´s physique is his legs actually. They´re skinny in my mind.
And in NFL, more than anything, the lower part of the body is important I think.

This is going to lead this thread to posting pictures of QB's skinny legs....
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Bosa was considered a top-5 talent. I don't see the connection. Jones is widely considered NOT a top-5 talent. I think we'll take him at 3, but if we pass on him, I'd be very interested to see where he'd end up.

I think you missed my point which is that the media's view of what San Diego was going to do and how sure they were that San Diego would draft anyone but Bosa was completely at odds with what San Diego was actually thinking and what they ended up doing.

The Chargers could very well have taken DeForest Buckner or Tunsil or some other prospect but that doesn't mean that the media had any special insight. Most of the time these people are just guessing and playing the odds. Knowing that the 49ers are interested in 3 QB's, you have a 33% chance of being right just by guessing and most of them are hedging their bets. "I expect the 49ers to take Jones BUT" and "it'll probably be Jones but it COULD be Fields or Lance" and some of them are just outright saying "well it'll be Jones or Lance", thereby giving themselves even better odds of potentially being right.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
We're going in circles. I get it, I just don't think that the "group think" answer would resonate on Jones without some team information (either leak or smokescreen)

Back in 2016, there were rumors coming from all over that the Chargers would take someone else besides Joey Bosa. It became a near consensus that they would be drafting a tackle or some other position. Come draft day, the Chargers did the obvious thing and took Bosa. They didn't leak a thing the entire time but their GM admitted that he and the scouts found it amusing how the media just ran with it, coming up with wacky scenarios that were completely detached from their own draft board. Bosa had always been their guy yet those in the media were convinced that it would be anyone but him.

These are some of the final mock draft prior to that draft...turns out people in the media knew exactly nada.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2636003-2016-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-final-7-round-picks

https://www.nfl.com/news/2016-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-0ap3000000655072

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15309087/2016-nfl-draft-nfl-nation-mock-draft-picks-results-order

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15416803/mel-kiper-final-2016-nfl-mock-draft-picks-results

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/other-sports/list/2016-nfl-draft-final-mock-draft-ezekiel-elliott-jalen-ramsey-deforest-buckner-paxton-lynch-cowboys-chargers/ibl6ff16zxzg1mw2bmkncu65r/3

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2016-nfl-mock-draft-real-drama-begins-with-chargers-pick-at-no-3/

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/04/26/inside-pylons-2016-final-nfl-mock-draft-rounds-1-3/

The difference would be that the rumors this time are coming from people (Schefter, Simms, Schraeger, Silver, etc.) that are historically well connected to either Jed York, the Shanahans, or others in the organization. It was interesting to hear Silver talk to Maiocco on his podcast and say that York has actually been heavily involved in the QB discussions after the trade-up was made. Silver has a prior relationship with the Yorks, so he would probably know.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Apr 25, 2021 at 2:04 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I certainly agree with your last sentence.

Are you sure you're interpreting Cossell's comments? I thought he meant, he's not a guy who's going to outrun a free defender if Silverback goes down. Just asking...

Because his feet seem to be super quick and you see him throwing off platform esp. when he's about to get clocked.

He said he can't make off script plays and off platform throws. He's a in structure QB. He needs things to be right in front of him, he will know where to go with the ball a ton of the time...under structure.

Jimmy had "quick feet" and a lighting quick release when he came to SF, now look at him. I just don't legit think this kid is worth 3 1sts and is some massive improvement over Jimmy. He will need what Jimmy needed here and you damn well know Kyle isn't gonna make that happen.

Hmmm, if he did say that, that's interesting because there's plenty of tape of off platform throws. Off schedule? He said himself in that interview with Trey Wingo he feels he could run around but was just going to do what he was told and execute the play as long as possible (hence the statute label).

But to your point, neither is going to be a huge strength. Adequate at best.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 25, 2021 at 2:07 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Bosa was considered a top-5 talent. I don't see the connection. Jones is widely considered NOT a top-5 talent. I think we'll take him at 3, but if we pass on him, I'd be very interested to see where he'd end up.

I think you missed my point which is that the media's view of what San Diego was going to do and how sure they were that San Diego would draft anyone but Bosa was completely at odds with what San Diego was actually thinking and what they ended up doing.

The Chargers could very well have taken DeForest Buckner or Tunsil or some other prospect but that doesn't mean that the media had any special insight. Most of the time these people are just guessing and playing the odds. Knowing that the 49ers are interested in 3 QB's, you have a 33% chance of being right just by guessing and most of them are hedging their bets. "I expect the 49ers to take Jones BUT" and "it'll probably be Jones but it COULD be Fields or Lance" and some of them are just outright saying "well it'll be Jones or Lance", thereby giving themselves even better odds of potentially being right.

Got it. So from your Bosa example, are you insinuating they take NOT JONES?
[ Edited by NinerBuff on Apr 25, 2021 at 2:06 PM ]
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by pdc20:
What worries me a little bit with Mac´s physique is his legs actually. They´re skinny in my mind.
And in NFL, more than anything, the lower part of the body is important I think.

This is going to lead this thread to posting pictures of QB's skinny legs....

Montana had some chicken legs 🤣
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