Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
The RBs he's done wonders with almost all have some elite physical traits. I mean Mostert has been the fastest ball carrier in the league the last couple of years. Breida was right up there.

I don't know how much you can relate the two, because QB and RB are very different, but the skill position players he's gotten the most out of are almost all high-percentile athletes.

Originally posted by Chance:
Yeah, I'm not saying Kyle is wrong. In fact, who the hell am I to say what the winning NFL strategy should be? I like Kyle because he goes against the grain, and doing so can yield strides in innovation like what Walsh did with the WCO. But hubris can get in the way, as the sum of parts can always be diminished by the weakest link in a chain, especially if it occurs at the QB position. I say pick the guy with the highest ceiling and trust your staff to get him there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If the sum is greater then the parts WHY are you giving up so much for Mac? If all you want is a system guy why are you losing a TON of capital to help make the sum GREATER? It's stupid plain and simple.

is what it is get ready for McCorkle...what a joke. The NFCW is loving this. GMs and FOs are loving that Kyle isn't getting an elite talent at QB. Whatever at this point. You have about 10% of the fan base happy over this move...I'm sure it will go over great

Who knows what Kyles planned? But with all the Hybrid players Kyle's bringing on the team, a guy like Mac maybe can employ these hybrid players in such a way to really put defenses in a bind with his *mind* more than his athletic ability.

I agree that Mac is more limited athletically than Lance and Fields, but I also don't see what Kyle has in mind with his system and the team overall. I would say that athleticism means a lot less at the QB position than the RB or other positions. But maybe its Mac's *mind* that attracts Kyle versus his athleticism. Also I do want to point out Mac isn't a statute - I think he's a good athlete. I think he's good enough to minimize yardage loss when there is blitzes and OLine breakdowns. I think he can even escape on occasion.

Originally posted by jcs:

Somebody said yesterday that Mac Jones should be called Macaroni Jones, but I think that's too cool of a name for him. Gotta add an * or something that indicates with green peas or raisins, not the good macaroni.

Macaroni* Jones.

— Crystal (@PrincessSugar59) April 25, 2021

lol

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by pdc20:
What worries me a little bit with Mac´s physique is his legs actually. They´re skinny in my mind.
And in NFL, more than anything, the lower part of the body is important I think.

Trevor Lawrence is 6'6" and weighs the same as Jones and Zach Wilson even though they are both 3 inches shorter yet no one talk about how crazy lanky he is.

That´s true too but I could care less about Trevor because there´s zero chance we could draft him.
I would have the same concern about Lawrence if he was the pick.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 1swift:
There's several red flags on his poor physique. 1, he either just didn't care that much and doesn't think it matters or 2, he's sort of oddly chubby because in actuality he's a super skinny body type and he had to try and bulk by keeping his calories up. These are different issues but neither is ideal

It was the second one. He had a goal of putting mass on and he overshot it like a lot of skinny guys do by eating way too much. He's clearly got a what used to be considered an ectomorphic bodytype. The best approach for him is to get hooked up with Brady's people. Not a fan of the pliability approach but for QB's its entirely workable

That's hopeful because it speaks to a training philosophy/execution problem rather than a motivation problem. Still not super ideal as then we start to get into the same category as Devonta Smith...can that frame withstand the rigors of the NFL?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 1swift:
There's several red flags on his poor physique. 1, he either just didn't care that much and doesn't think it matters or 2, he's sort of oddly chubby because in actuality he's a super skinny body type and he had to try and bulk by keeping his calories up. These are different issues but neither is ideal

It was the second one. He had a goal of putting mass on and he overshot it like a lot of skinny guys do by eating way too much. He's clearly got a what used to be considered an ectomorphic bodytype. The best approach for him is to get hooked up with Brady's people. Not a fan of the pliability approach but for QB's its entirely workable

It is deferentially the second one. You can tell he was super skinny coming out of high school. Because he hit his growth spurt later in life. I don't think he nesseciarily overshot what he was doing. It is a lot easier to add mass if you have some body fat. I think he intentionally added that weight onto himself. It is actually a good thing. It shows he can actually add mass to his current frame. Like I said he has a really good body type currently for a rookie QB. A lot of room to add additional Muscle mass without becoming too muscular.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
No I'd rather trust the guys getting paid millions to run the team who have already taken us to the sb. If whiny b***hy little fans get weeded out in the process even better as far as I'm concerned. All in on Mac

You were all in on Tomsula as well?

I definitely gave him a chance. Was super bummed to see harbaugh go as I loved that guy. But the whole thing was baalke vs harbaugh. Who was the real reason for success? I was hoping baalke would prove that it was him. Didn't turn out that way.

Anyone who was not drinking the Kool-Aid knew it was a bad pick. You don't have to wait and see sometimes. Plenty of guys get paid millions of dollars in this business - only handful are good.

Well I'm glad you got it all figured out. You could probably make a lot of money consulting owners on who their next gm/hc hires should be. As for me, I'm just a casual fan who thinks Shannahan and Lynch are an awesome combo who are going to absolutely nail this pick.

Def. could make money consulting dumb owners and there are a lot of them. But, they hire yes man usually so I have no chance of getting that job. You may actually qualify for that job though.

Agreed on the awesome combo - disagree on absolutely nail this pick. We will see. They have botched a 3rd overall pick before - so I am gonna put away my homer glasses for a second and not drink their kool-aid every second of the day.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
No I'd rather trust the guys getting paid millions to run the team who have already taken us to the sb. If whiny b***hy little fans get weeded out in the process even better as far as I'm concerned. All in on Mac

You were all in on Tomsula as well?

I definitely gave him a chance. Was super bummed to see harbaugh go as I loved that guy. But the whole thing was baalke vs harbaugh. Who was the real reason for success? I was hoping baalke would prove that it was him. Didn't turn out that way.

Anyone who was not drinking the Kool-Aid knew it was a bad pick. You don't have to wait and see sometimes. Plenty of guys get paid millions of dollars in this business - only handful are good.

Well I'm glad you got it all figured out. You could probably make a lot of money consulting owners on who their next gm/hc hires should be. As for me, I'm just a casual fan who thinks Shannahan and Lynch are an awesome combo who are going to absolutely nail this pick.

Def. could make money consulting dumb owners and there are a lot of them. But, they hire yes man usually so I have no chance of getting that job.

Agreed on the awesome combo - disagree on absolutely nail this pick. We will see. They have botched a 3rd overall pick before - so I am gonna put away my homer glasses for a second and not drink their kool-aid every second of the day.

Man imagine if the Solomon Thomas pick also cost us the next two years first round picks...No McGlinchey (eh) but no Bosa either.

This is risky as f**k.

I can say that kyle is an amazing OC and HC and also say this is true.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The weight issue is so overblown. People keep going back to the same photo that came from 2019. If you look at recent pics of him, he looks to be perfectly fine, especially for a pocket passer.

BS it ain't overblown, he's fat period. If you watched his pro day and saw the times his shirt lifted up, the flat tire is still there. Nobody is saying he needs to have a bodybuilder body, but for an athlete that's not a good look no matter how it's spun. This is from the Senior Bowl, not 2019

posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
The RBs he's done wonders with almost all have some elite physical traits. I mean Mostert has been the fastest ball carrier in the league the last couple of years. Breida was right up there.

I don't know how much you can relate the two, because QB and RB are very different, but the skill position players he's gotten the most out of are almost all high-percentile athletes.

Originally posted by Chance:
Yeah, I'm not saying Kyle is wrong. In fact, who the hell am I to say what the winning NFL strategy should be? I like Kyle because he goes against the grain, and doing so can yield strides in innovation like what Walsh did with the WCO. But hubris can get in the way, as the sum of parts can always be diminished by the weakest link in a chain, especially if it occurs at the QB position. I say pick the guy with the highest ceiling and trust your staff to get him there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If the sum is greater then the parts WHY are you giving up so much for Mac? If all you want is a system guy why are you losing a TON of capital to help make the sum GREATER? It's stupid plain and simple.

is what it is get ready for McCorkle...what a joke. The NFCW is loving this. GMs and FOs are loving that Kyle isn't getting an elite talent at QB. Whatever at this point. You have about 10% of the fan base happy over this move...I'm sure it will go over great

Who knows what Kyles planned? But with all the Hybrid players Kyle's bringing on the team, a guy like Mac maybe can employ these hybrid players in such a way to really put defenses in a bind with his *mind* more than his athletic ability.

I agree that Mac is more limited athletically than Lance and Fields, but I also don't see what Kyle has in mind with his system and the team overall. I would say that athleticism means a lot less at the QB position than the RB or other positions. But maybe its Mac's *mind* that attracts Kyle versus his athleticism. Also I do want to point out Mac isn't a statute - I think he's a good athlete. I think he's good enough to minimize yardage loss when there is blitzes and OLine breakdowns. I think he can even escape on occasion.

But what if I told you that the QB could too be a hybrid player, displaying intelligent pocket play while also taking advantage of their elite physical traits.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The weight issue is so overblown. People keep going back to the same photo that came from 2019. If you look at recent pics of him, he looks to be perfectly fine, especially for a pocket passer.

BS it ain't overblown, he's fat period. If you watched his pro day and saw the times his shirt lifted up, the flat tire is still there. Nobody is saying he needs to have a bodybuilder body, but for an athlete that's not a good look no matter how it's spun. This is from the Senior Bowl, not 2019

https://t.co/nIoTNedmFa pic.twitter.com/VvBGBNJyqk

— Javier Vega (@JavierVeg_) April 24, 2021

Looks like one of those assistants on the sidelines who's squirts Gatorade into the players mouths because they are the real athletes who can't hold and squeeze their own bottle.

Originally posted by Chance:
But what if I told you that the QB could too be a hybrid player, displaying intelligent pocket play while also taking advantage of their elite physical traits.

You mean like Elway and Young? Two QBs that old man Shanahan won with?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The weight issue is so overblown. People keep going back to the same photo that came from 2019. If you look at recent pics of him, he looks to be perfectly fine, especially for a pocket passer.

BS it ain't overblown, he's fat period. If you watched his pro day and saw the times his shirt lifted up, the flat tire is still there. Nobody is saying he needs to have a bodybuilder body, but for an athlete that's not a good look no matter how it's spun. This is from the Senior Bowl, not 2019

https://t.co/nIoTNedmFa pic.twitter.com/VvBGBNJyqk

— Javier Vega (@JavierVeg_) April 24, 2021

Yeah, just get in better condition - lift some weights and mix in some cardio. He's going to be a professional, he needs to take some pride in his appearance.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Nobody watch the QB21 with Kirk Herbstreet on Jones? Surprised it isn't being talked about. I brought it up in here before but man I can't see how some things he said doesn't rub people the wrong way. The Auburn game was brought up and he took zero ownership of the picks. He stressed multiple times that it was the right read on the first one and completely threw his FB under the bus on the 2nd one , the end zone pick six, saying and pointing out that he missed the block. While it is true, man you just don't do that

Link?