Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Yes, whoever has the strongest arm technically can make throws someone with a weaker arm cannot. But How many throws that Fields or Lance could make that Mac couldn't, will come up in a game or season. I would say not many.

Mac is Consistently accurate on short, medium, and long passes. Both inside and outside the numbers. Against pressure and with a clean pocket.

I would also argue Mac can currently make throws someone like Lance in particular currently cannot make. Because he has the ability to throw with touch and anticipation. Not to mention the fact that Lance has no consistency with his accuracy whatsoever.

You are drafting your franchise QB for the next decade, Not just the next 2 years. Who's to say that Fields or Lance won't improve on accuracy? With their gifted talent and athletic abilities I would bet there is a pretty good chance they will improve on that. But the things Jones lacks he really can't improve on. He is not going to get a stronger arm than he has now, He is not going to all of a sudden become more mobile.

Better technique will improve arm velocity. Brady is a prime example. He's a 22 year old kid who appears to not only love the game but is obsessive enough to put in the work in.

I also think accuracy, timing and anticipation are much more difficult to develop.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
I wonder if he'll have the audacity to ask Garoppolo for #10?

I hope he does that will be one less thing I'll have to buy.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
What if Kyle drafts Jones and they keep Jimmy and Jimmy plays like he did in 2017 before the injury? The fanbase will question why dump Jimmy for Mac Jones when there is nothing Jones can do that Jimmy can't. They are the same QB, Just one is cheaper. This is why you can't keep Jimmy if you draft Jones. It will be a disaster.

Then the 49ers will likely win the NFCW, and Mac Jones will slowly become an afterthought for the 2021 season.

Mac Jones will be on a rookie contract. If Jimmy has his best season ever next year, the Niners have a good problem, and he's still under contract for two years. They could ride out his contract, they could even franchise him a third year, or they could trade him for good value. All the while, Mac Jones won't be costing much and will be acclimating to the NFL game. I think it would be ideal if Jimmy took this as motivation and reverted to form. Some of Joe Montana's best play came after Walsh put a burr under his saddle by trading for Young.

There is no way that will happen.

How is that not possible? They already said they want Jimmy to play this year. If Jimmy plays to the best of his ability he is capable of leading the team to the Super Bowl again, maybe even winning it. If he pulled that off they would be under no pressure to dump him prematurely before his contract expires, and then it would be decision time and they'd probably either go with Jones or move him. It's unlikely, but Jimmy is certainly capable of getting hot and having a hell of a year or two. That would be awkward, but a great problem.

It's not possible because you have too many important pieces either on one year deals or guys on rookie deals that they want to sign to extensions down the line. Having a QB on a rookie deal is the most convenient way of making that happen.

I wonder if the Pats would give us their #15 pick for Jimmy if we agreed to pay half of his 2021 salary. It's not like we need much of the cap space. Then we can draft Horn with that pick or trade down and grab Harris.

Originally posted by jcs:
Better technique will improve arm velocity. Brady is a prime example. He's a 22 year old kid who appears to not only love the game but is obsessive enough to put in the work in.

I also think accuracy, timing and anticipation are much more difficult to develop.

It's too bad he is not as obsessed to put in the work to get in shape.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Yes, whoever has the strongest arm technically can make throws someone with a weaker arm cannot. But How many throws that Fields or Lance could make that Mac couldn't, will come up in a game or season. I would say not many.

Mac is Consistently accurate on short, medium, and long passes. Both inside and outside the numbers. Against pressure and with a clean pocket.

I would also argue Mac can currently make throws someone like Lance in particular currently cannot make. Because he has the ability to throw with touch and anticipation. Not to mention the fact that Lance has no consistency with his accuracy whatsoever.

You are drafting your franchise QB for the next decade, Not just the next 2 years. Who's to say that Fields or Lance won't improve on accuracy? With their gifted talent and athletic abilities I would bet there is a pretty good chance they will improve on that. But the things Jones lacks he really can't improve on. He is not going to get a stronger arm than he has now, He is not going to all of a sudden become more mobile.

Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I wonder if the Pats would give us their #15 pick for Jimmy if we agreed to pay half of his 2021 salary. It's not like we need much of the cap space. Then we can draft Horn with that pick or trade down and grab Harris.

Doubt it. Only way Jimmy pulls a first rounder is if he comes back, stays healthy, and realizes his full potential in a deep playoff run. I don't see anyone giving a first rounder on faith at this juncture.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
What if Kyle drafts Jones and they keep Jimmy and Jimmy plays like he did in 2017 before the injury? The fanbase will question why dump Jimmy for Mac Jones when there is nothing Jones can do that Jimmy can't. They are the same QB, Just one is cheaper. This is why you can't keep Jimmy if you draft Jones. It will be a disaster.

Then the 49ers will likely win the NFCW, and Mac Jones will slowly become an afterthought for the 2021 season.

Mac Jones will be on a rookie contract. If Jimmy has his best season ever next year, the Niners have a good problem, and he's still under contract for two years. They could ride out his contract, they could even franchise him a third year, or they could trade him for good value. All the while, Mac Jones won't be costing much and will be acclimating to the NFL game. I think it would be ideal if Jimmy took this as motivation and reverted to form. Some of Joe Montana's best play came after Walsh put a burr under his saddle by trading for Young.

There is no way that will happen.

How is that not possible? They already said they want Jimmy to play this year. If Jimmy plays to the best of his ability he is capable of leading the team to the Super Bowl again, maybe even winning it. If he pulled that off they would be under no pressure to dump him prematurely before his contract expires, and then it would be decision time and they'd probably either go with Jones or move him. It's unlikely, but Jimmy is certainly capable of getting hot and having a hell of a year or two. That would be awkward, but a great problem.

It's not possible because you have too many important pieces either on one year deals or guys on rookie deals that they want to sign to extensions down the line. Having a QB on a rookie deal is the most convenient way of making that happen.

Plus with no first round picks the next two years we're going to need that cap flexibility.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
What if Kyle drafts Jones and they keep Jimmy and Jimmy plays like he did in 2017 before the injury? The fanbase will question why dump Jimmy for Mac Jones when there is nothing Jones can do that Jimmy can't. They are the same QB, Just one is cheaper. This is why you can't keep Jimmy if you draft Jones. It will be a disaster.

Then the 49ers will likely win the NFCW, and Mac Jones will slowly become an afterthought for the 2021 season.

Mac Jones will be on a rookie contract. If Jimmy has his best season ever next year, the Niners have a good problem, and he's still under contract for two years. They could ride out his contract, they could even franchise him a third year, or they could trade him for good value. All the while, Mac Jones won't be costing much and will be acclimating to the NFL game. I think it would be ideal if Jimmy took this as motivation and reverted to form. Some of Joe Montana's best play came after Walsh put a burr under his saddle by trading for Young.

There is no way that will happen.

How is that not possible? They already said they want Jimmy to play this year. If Jimmy plays to the best of his ability he is capable of leading the team to the Super Bowl again, maybe even winning it. If he pulled that off they would be under no pressure to dump him prematurely before his contract expires, and then it would be decision time and they'd probably either go with Jones or move him. It's unlikely, but Jimmy is certainly capable of getting hot and having a hell of a year or two. That would be awkward, but a great problem.

I doubt Jimmy even on the team this season if they take Jones

So that Peter King apparently predicted both Kinkaw and Mcglinchy...

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I wonder if the Pats would give us their #15 pick for Jimmy if we agreed to pay half of his 2021 salary. It's not like we need much of the cap space. Then we can draft Horn with that pick or trade down and grab Harris.

Peter King just mentioned in his latest article that he wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy is traded to the Patriots for a 2nd...I was hoping for more but getting a 1st for him seems tough right now.

Who knows, maybe a team gets desperate and offers a 1st after missing out on a QB in the draft. One can only hope.

Originally posted by jcs:
So that Peter King apparently predicted both Kinkaw and Mcglinchy...

Yeah,kind of accepted we will never have an elite qb. They better draft tons of offense in the following rounds,because Jones is not capable of carrying the team on his back. Maybe the Bengals model with Dalton. Who knows

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

That would be my question as well. Derek Carr is a successful QB but I wouldn't use 3 1st round picks and a 3rd on him.

With Jones he'd have to be someone like a Drew Brees for that amount of investment to be worth it. Someone that's not physically gifted but can operate the offense and throw the ball with surgical precision.

We can debate how much Lance, Fields, and Jones can improve but Jones' physical limitations aren't going anywhere and while they are enough function in the NFL I still can't envision him ever avoiding a sack, rolling out, and throwing a 50+ TD pass off platform while getting hit like I could with Lance or FIelds.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I wonder if the Pats would give us their #15 pick for Jimmy if we agreed to pay half of his 2021 salary. It's not like we need much of the cap space. Then we can draft Horn with that pick or trade down and grab Harris.

Peter King just mentioned in his latest article that he wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy is traded to the Patriots for a 2nd...I was hoping for more but getting a 1st for him seems tough right now.

Who knows, maybe a team gets desperate and offers a 1st after missing out on a QB in the draft. One can only hope.

Because our stupidity it may help them land Fields in a trade up.