Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Keepcool:

Originally posted by jcs:
So that Peter King apparently predicted both Kinkaw and Mcglinchy...

Yeah,kind of accepted we will never have an elite qb. They better draft tons of offense in the following rounds,because Jones is not capable of carrying the team on his back. Maybe the Bengals model with Dalton. Who knows

I think he can be like a Matt Ryan - he has the Falcons in the playoffs almost every year.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Because they would have to explain why their QB who was worth 3 first round picks isn't able to beat out the guy that they drafted him to replace. The only thing you could do is trade one of them.

You either trade Jimmy and hope that Mac is better, or else you're getting fired. Or, try to trade Jones. Problem with that is that you probably aren't getting back what you gave up for him because most teams don't think Jones is worth that kind of pick in the first place. So you give up 3 firsts for him and you get back one...that gets the GM fired too.

Just imagine is Jimmy is on fire this season. He has a career year and we even win a SB. Then, they trade him and start Mac Jones....but Jones isn't able to replicate what Jimmy did and they miss the playoffs.....uh oh.

No, because if Jimmy wins a Super Bowl nobody is getting fired. Mac Jones will be the pick that lit the fire under Jimmy's ass. Lynch already said they want more viable options at that position. But I take them at face value when they say they are fine keeping Jimmy and starting him this year while a rookie learns the offense and gets acclimated. Now, if Jimmy takes his opportunity all the way to the house, you think people are still going to bitterly complain about the lost draft capital? Probably not. And then they are poised to move Jimmy for maximum value, or could let it ride another year and just let Jones percolate like the Packers did with Favre and Rogers.

So you traded years of first round picks just for motivation?

And yes, they will absolutely complain. Because if Jimmy wins a SB the story is going to be "imagine how much better we could be if we haven't wasted all those picks on a backup QB."

The difference with Favre and Rodgers is that Favre was pushing 40 and everyone expected him to retire, not get traded to make room. Also, they didn't make a boneheaded trade to get him, he fell in their laps.

It's not just QBs either. If all that goes down they will have to answer questions about why they passed up a guy like Kyle Pitts, who I expect to be one of the most dynamic offensive players in the league in a year or two.

So yeah, if Jimmy wins a SB then the 49ers are in a no-win situations. Either left a SB winning QB go or keep 3 years of first round picks sitting on the bench.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.

I'm sorry did you just say Mac Jones and throws a great beat ball? It's not what is pro day showed LOL. Out of the top five quarterback she has the worst deep ball. I would project him here as Shawn hill

Originally posted by fan49:
I'm sorry did you just say Mac Jones and throws a great beat ball? It's not what is pro day showed LOL. Out of the top five quarterback she has the worst deep ball. I would project him here as Shawn hill

Yeah Shaun Hill wasn't making throws like this:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.

I'm sorry did you just say Mac Jones and throws a great beat ball? It's not what is pro day showed LOL. Out of the top five quarterback she has the worst deep ball. I would project him here as Shawn hill

Cool. You can have that opinion. It's blatantly ignorant and wrong, but you're entitled to it.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.

60% of his passes were at or behind the LOS.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.

60% of his passes were at or behind the LOS.

Cool. That means that 40% of the passes he made during his record-setting season were not. I suggest you take a look at some of those and see if you don't find some good stuff.

Originally posted by fan49:
I'm sorry did you just say Mac Jones and throws a great beat ball? It's not what is pro day showed LOL. Out of the top five quarterback she has the worst deep ball. I would project him here as Shawn hill

Yes, The fact that he has the best passer rating throwing deep out of anyone in college football kind of backs that up. He was consistently accurate on the deep ball in college. Maybe you should actually watch some game tape.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by fan49:
I'm sorry did you just say Mac Jones and throws a great beat ball? It's not what is pro day showed LOL. Out of the top five quarterback she has the worst deep ball. I would project him here as Shawn hill

Yeah Shaun Hill wasn't making throws like this:

Why aren't more people talking about this dime 🎯 #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/PW2itTUQ4B

— Mac Hereford (@Mac_Hereford) March 31, 2021

Hello, Mac Jones. Hello, John Metchie. Hello, end zone. pic.twitter.com/RN1aVjYHXY

— CBS Sports (@CBSSports) October 3, 2020

Waddle separation is different. Short strider. Gets in and out of his breaks so easily.

Mac Jones has a beautiful moon ball (Russell Wilson-like) <— his deep passes, not a player comp pic.twitter.com/UmJeD5S27h

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) March 2, 2021

Is there anything more beautiful than a deep ball from Mac Jones? Alabama leads 7-0!pic.twitter.com/oSEUzUc242

— Alabama Crimson Tide | BamaInsider.com (@bamainsider) October 18, 2020

Last Mac Jones play for the night, another 45-yard+ throw on the money off of play-action.

Jones reading the deep safety (1) and as soon as he commits to covering Smith, Jones targets Metchie and drops in a dime.

As @eric_crocker loves to say, Jones airs that hoe out routinely. pic.twitter.com/zhaBeVITMx

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) March 5, 2021

None of these are impressive lol wtf. And that last one is a complete joke. Every safety in the NFL would have intercepted that pass.

Look I like his footwork and short to intermediate passes. He makes good decisions. He'll do well with Shanahan. Simply not worth everything we gave up for him. And you guys trying to prop him up is becoming pathetic.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Who is to say they will improve their accuracy though? It is not like you just wave a magic wand and it is fixed. If Lance does not or has not significantly improved His accuracy. He is going to have real problems at the NFL level. If every flaw could just be fixed. Every QB in the NFL would be successful.

Fields I don't really see accuracy as being his issue. I like Fields and wouldn't be upset if he was the pick. That being said he holds onto the ball too long at times and struggled against pressure. Not saying this cannot be fixed but The NFL level speeds up so it doesn't get easier.

Why draft guys that might fix or improve serious issues. When you got a guy in mac who is already good at those things and more. The only things about Lance or Fields that there is to like more than Mac is that they have more athletism, the ability to run, and have stronger arms. Mac doesn't need to have a stronger arm than he currently has or more athletism to be successful in the NFL IMO.

What's your definition of successful though? Kirk Cousins? That's not good enough for what they gave up and where they drafted him. They need a QB that has the potential to be a top 5 QB, A guy who you can say is your teams best offensive player or atleast 1A and 1B.

If I had to make a comparison. I would probably say, Matt Ryan. I don't like comparisons though. I could say Mac is the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You could say Mac Is the next Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. You could say Lance/FIelds are Mahomes or Josh Allen. I Could say Lance/FIelds are the next Cam or Kap. End of the day they are all their own players. The fact is right now there are just so many things that Mac is better at than the other two. When It comes to playing QB.

So What makes Mac Jones "Special"? What makes him worthy of the # 3 overall pick? He is an elite processer. He has great footwork. He has great pocket awareness. He has great pocket manipulation skills. Gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Feels the rush and throws well while being pressured. A better passer rating than both Fields and Lance When being pressured. Protects the football and rarely takes sacks. Throws a great deep ball. A better passer rating throwing deep than both Lance and Fields. Throws with great vision and anticipation. Is consistently accurate on all short, medium, and long passes. That is what makes him special.

Not to mention the statistical season Mac Had. . A all-time college record-breaking 77% completion percentage- 4500 yards passing- 11.2 avg. per pass - 44 TD to 4 INT ratio. All this against an All-SEC schedule. Ending in an undefeated season and a national championship trophy.
Mac Jones vs all other QB's.
QBR when Pressured- Mac is 1st
QBR when blitzed- Mac is 1st
deep-ball completion- Mac is 1st
Inside/Outside pocket QBR- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards outside the numbers- Mac is 1st
11-20 yards off-target percentage- Mac is 2nd lowest

I am not sure what more Mac could have done to make people like him as a prospect. Everyone can go chasing rainbows and unicorns. Trying to find the QB who can run like VIck. Has the Arm talent of Mahomes. Plays from the pocket like Peyton Manning. Who has the Qb Awareness of Brady. Everyone wants to go chasing hoping they somehow can have everything, when there is a proven great QB IMO staring them all in the face.

60% of his passes were at or behind the LOS.

Footballoutsiders has it at 30%.

Originally posted by Furlow:
60% of his passes were at or behind the LOS.

And yet his accuracy was still very good to all areas of the field:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yeah Shaun Hill wasn't making throws like this:

Why aren't more people talking about this dime 🎯 #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/PW2itTUQ4B

— Mac Hereford (@Mac_Hereford) March 31, 2021

Hello, Mac Jones. Hello, John Metchie. Hello, end zone. pic.twitter.com/RN1aVjYHXY

— CBS Sports (@CBSSports) October 3, 2020

Waddle separation is different. Short strider. Gets in and out of his breaks so easily.

Mac Jones has a beautiful moon ball (Russell Wilson-like) <— his deep passes, not a player comp pic.twitter.com/UmJeD5S27h

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) March 2, 2021

Is there anything more beautiful than a deep ball from Mac Jones? Alabama leads 7-0!pic.twitter.com/oSEUzUc242

— Alabama Crimson Tide | BamaInsider.com (@bamainsider) October 18, 2020

Last Mac Jones play for the night, another 45-yard+ throw on the money off of play-action.

Jones reading the deep safety (1) and as soon as he commits to covering Smith, Jones targets Metchie and drops in a dime.

As @eric_crocker loves to say, Jones airs that hoe out routinely. pic.twitter.com/zhaBeVITMx

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) March 5, 2021

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by fan49:
I'm sorry did you just say Mac Jones and throws a great beat ball? It's not what is pro day showed LOL. Out of the top five quarterback she has the worst deep ball. I would project him here as Shawn hill

Yes, The fact that he has the best passer rating throwing deep out of anyone in college football kind of backs that up. He was consistently accurate on the deep ball in college. Maybe you should actually watch some game tape.

Not really when you consider he was throwing to guys running wide open down the field. If you actually watch that film you're going to see a lot of those deep balls aren't all that good by NFL standards.

You shouldn't use college stats to back up anything about transition to the NFL. It doesn't translate like that. If it did then scouting would be done in Excel.

You guys love McCorkle. We get it. Didn't have to trade up to #3 for him. Waste of draft capital.