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Originally posted by 49erminion:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Pros - High character, young, big, strong, athletic, strong arm, fantastic off-script, amazing thrower on the run(tbh, one of the best I've ever seen coming out of college)

Cons - s**tty throwing mechanics, s**tty footwork, field vision, decision making, INT machine, shoddy poise and pocket presence

I remember someone saying this about him during the draft process, and it sums up Darnold perfectly:

Strengths: Possesses an amazing ability to keep his team in the game. Weaknesses: possesses an amazing ability to keep the opponent in the game.

strengths sounds like jameis winston
he's got everything you need to succeed, can he be coached out of mistakes ?
Rather than having to pay for a player who hasn't proved much in the NFL, let's draft our own guy. Someone who hasn't picked up bad habits from poor coaching. Someone who will give us maximum time on a rookie contract to keep the best possible team together around him.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Rascal:
God, no.

Remember the Levin T. Black article, DO NOT leave the QB decision up to Shanahan or we will all be fxxked.

The guy just can't draft or sign QBs to save his life. Hoyer, Cousins, Beathard, you name it.

I would rather give John Lynch an opportunity to call the shots. If Shanahan had listened to him, may be we would have already drafted Mahomes as opposed to a complete bust in Solomon Thomas.

Who gives a s**t about what Black says lol. Dude's opinion matters about as much as anyone else in here. He's not some knowledge football mind.

LOL yeah Cousins in the 4th rd turned into such a bad pick. IF you go back and look, he actually wanted Wilson in that draft and they were gonna take him instead of Kirk, but Wilson got drafted earlier.

Talk to me about sucking when he actually invests a meaningful pick into a QB and they bomb. He's actually had the say on drafting a QB for what 4 yrs? So much lack of context lol

That's the point. He hasn't invested a meaningful pick on a qb. It's been 4 years. He states again he's happy with jimmy going forward . We aren't getting any younger.

Jimmy g
Hoyer
Mullens
Beathard
Rosen

What are you going to do when we don't draft a qb, don't trade for watson, and stick with jimmy? You can't make this excuse anymore. Shanahan needs to make his mark already.

Exactly!!

If Shanahan knew better, he would have taken Mahomes especially when Lynch went down to his pro day and saw what he saw then called back to suggest to Shanahan may be they need to rethink about taking Solomon Thomas. Bad drafting decisions have consequences. If Shanahan had opted to go for Mahomes, we would have won a Super Bowl by now!!

And what's worse? He had the pick to do it too. And now? We are in no man's land at 12th and we have left it to last minute to finally draft a legit QB..4 QBs will most likely be gone before they get to 12th. And if you want Zach Wilson, you will probably need to sell the farm to get to #2. Even Trey Lance will most likely require trading up. The whole thing is now coming back to bite Shanny in the ass.

Man, the hindsight-ism by some of y'all is pretty hilarious! If that was the case, you could say that about the other teams who passed on Mahomes

Nobody knew Mahomes was going to blow up like he did. He just got lucky he was drafted to a team with the talent and coaching that happened to be the perfect marriage for him and his abilities. That's a rare feat in today's NFL, and is not the norm based on what we have seen from recent 1st round QB's.

Now, I do agree that drafting Thomas was a huge mistake. I was not a fan of this pick at all at the time. We could have done better even with what we knew about these players at that time.
Originally posted by English:
Rather than having to pay for a player who hasn't proved much in the NFL, let's draft our own guy. Someone who hasn't picked up bad habits from poor coaching. Someone who will give us maximum time on a rookie contract to keep the best possible team together around him.

This.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by English:
Rather than having to pay for a player who hasn't proved much in the NFL, let's draft our own guy. Someone who hasn't picked up bad habits from poor coaching. Someone who will give us maximum time on a rookie contract to keep the best possible team together around him.

This.

Darnold had the worst quarterback rating in the NFL last year. There's no way we should want that on our team. Aside from the fact that he's the best turnover machine and it's not like he didn't turn the ball over at USC with an amazing team around him. Old habits are hard to break yet some of the people on here are willing to take that risk? We would be hiding him even worse than hiding any of the other quarterbacks we've had from turning the ball over
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Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Man, the hindsight-ism by some of y'all is pretty hilarious! If that was the case, you could say that about the other teams who passed on Mahomes

Nobody knew Mahomes was going to blow up like he did. He just got lucky he was drafted to a team with the talent and coaching that happened to be the perfect marriage for him and his abilities. That's a rare feat in today's NFL, and is not the norm based on what we have seen from recent 1st round QB's.

Now, I do agree that drafting Thomas was a huge mistake. I was not a fan of this pick at all at the time. We could have done better even with what we knew about these players at that time.

Lets pull up the list of Zoners pulling for Mahomes to be drafted.
(there were a couple to be fair)

but the cats that have post draft opinions are not to be taken seriously.
Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
I don't get this. Why trade for a bust?

Because some teams don't think he's actually a bust rather the team and coaching staff were/are trash.

Who really knows at this point.
I'm not for getting him BUT here's a short article that offers a fair opinion.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/2/11/22278101/49ers-trade-down-in-the-first-swap-first-rounders-and-land-sam-darnold

Thoughts??
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
I don't get this. Why trade for a bust?

Because some teams don't think he's actually a bust rather the team and coaching staff were/are trash.

Who really knows at this point.

Agree

IMO - Gase sucked. He sucked in Miami and he sucked in NY.

Darnold - who knows for sure?
Gase broke Darnold. He was doing well under the previous head coach until Darnold got mono.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Gase broke Darnold. He was doing well under the previous head coach until Darnold got mono.

Yeah that's right, Gase was the reason Sam Darnold turned the ball over like it's going out of style. Gase was the reason he held the ball too long, took too many sacks, made bad reads and so on. Darnold made so many turnovers in college and he had arguably the best team in college football or among the best at the very least. The excuses made for this guy is amazing.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Gase broke Darnold. He was doing well under the previous head coach until Darnold got mono.

Yeah that's right, Gase was the reason Sam Darnold turned the ball over like it's going out of style. Gase was the reason he held the ball too long, took too many sacks, made bad reads and so on. Darnold made so many turnovers in college and he had arguably the best team in college football or among the best at the very least. The excuses made for this guy is amazing.

Drafting him to put him behind Garoppolo is impractical but a reasonable scenario, and with good coaching who knows what might happen? Trading Garoppolo and picking Darnold as his Day One replacement would be insane. Thankfully I don't think the team are quite that wild!
Originally posted by English:
Drafting him to put him behind Garoppolo is impractical but a reasonable scenario, and with good coaching who knows what might happen? Trading Garoppolo and picking Darnold as his Day One replacement would be insane. Thankfully I don't think the team are quite that wild!

I agree I would love him as a back up but to take a risk on a player that could be good with better coaching as opposed to a player we already have that has performed well with a solid healthy team around him? It is insane and I really can't believe this is an argument or debate at this point. We all know it is very very hard for quarterbacks who are turnover prone to stop being that way. He has displayed this since college, on an incredibly loaded USC team. But magically if he goes to a loaded 49ers team he will cease to stop all of his bad habits? Yeah right

We have a very very good chance to go deep in the playoffs with the team as is, or even if we lose a few good players like most contenders will in the NFC. Why screw it up to take a risk on a quarterback that has been a complete and total embarrassment so far.
Gase is probably the worst HC i have seen since Jeff Fisher. Completely sunk Darnold's reputation. However, Alex Smith has shown that a career can be revived with the right coach. In that case, I am all for it if Shanahan likes Darnold.

I am not a fan of giving up a alot tho for Darnold. If Jets are picking Fields or Wilson at #2, he have the upper hand. Im thinking a 3rd at most. Maybe throw in a 2022 3rd as well. If Jimmy costed a 2nd when he performed very well, Darnold shouldnt cost more than that.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by English:
Drafting him to put him behind Garoppolo is impractical but a reasonable scenario, and with good coaching who knows what might happen? Trading Garoppolo and picking Darnold as his Day One replacement would be insane. Thankfully I don't think the team are quite that wild!

I agree I would love him as a back up but to take a risk on a player that could be good with better coaching as opposed to a player we already have that has performed well with a solid healthy team around him? It is insane and I really can't believe this is an argument or debate at this point. We all know it is very very hard for quarterbacks who are turnover prone to stop being that way. He has displayed this since college, on an incredibly loaded USC team. But magically if he goes to a loaded 49ers team he will cease to stop all of his bad habits? Yeah right

We have a very very good chance to go deep in the playoffs with the team as is, or even if we lose a few good players like most contenders will in the NFC. Why screw it up to take a risk on a quarterback that has been a complete and total embarrassment so far.

A lot of people are saying this, but I cant get behind spending $35M on our quarterbacks and not have a top 10 QB in the room. If we are bringing Jimmy back, we need to be all in on him and just pray he doesnt get hurt like he always does. Investing a lot of money in his backup because we arent confident he can stay healthy makes less sense to me than just replacing him.
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