Sam Darnold-Traded to Panthers

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Why in the blue f**k would we be sending them an extra pick lol....maybe the other way around.

Just shows how differently Jimmy is viewed on webzone in comparison to the rest of the world.

Originally posted by Midbay:
As for Watson, it isn't really comparable just on $. The value of the players you lose due to trading picks is substantial. In short, I think the overall cost is a con for both players. Watson is so crazy expensive in terms of cash and picks that he better prove to be a Michael Jordan-like figure for it to work, and Darnold's upside next year seems too low to pay $10 million for the right to see if he might be worth spending more money on in the future.

I know there is more to it than just salary. I was speaking about that aspect because some people feel his salary is way too high. My point in bringing it up is some of the same people are clamoring for Darnold (or a similarly priced backup QB for insurance for Jimmy) are the ones saying Watson's salary is a deterent. I was just saying that I'd much rather pay Watson what he costs than a similar amount for the combo of Jimmy and Darnold.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Why in the blue f**k would we be sending them an extra pick lol....maybe the other way around.

Just shows how differently Jimmy is viewed on webzone in comparison to the rest of the world.

That too. Homerism is powerful.

BUT... it's Darnold we're talking about. He's done nothing except make a few splash plays. But talent alone won't make a good QB, and as of this moment, it's hard to argue that Darnold is the better quarterback. Maybe you could argue for potential. And the money works in Darnold's favor (for one year anyway).

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Gase broke Darnold. He was doing well under the previous head coach until Darnold got mono.

Yeah that's right, Gase was the reason Sam Darnold turned the ball over like it's going out of style. Gase was the reason he held the ball too long, took too many sacks, made bad reads and so on. Darnold made so many turnovers in college and he had arguably the best team in college football or among the best at the very least. The excuses made for this guy is amazing.

Drafting him to put him behind Garoppolo is impractical but a reasonable scenario, and with good coaching who knows what might happen? Trading Garoppolo and picking Darnold as his Day One replacement would be insane. Thankfully I don't think the team are quite that wild!

Just for comparison....
Steve Young's 1st two seasons in the NFL (after spending time in sorta pro football USFL) he threw 11 TD's , 21 Int's and a completion percentage of 52.95% in Tampa Bay under Ray Perkins (who?). The 49ers traded a second-round pick, a fourth-round pick and $1 million to the Buccaneers for Young, who's career exploded and ended up with a Hall of Fame career.

Talent + Good coaching + Right scheme fit = success ( I saw that in a QB article I read a while back )

Not saying that Darnold is the next Steve Young, but with the right system and good coaching who knows?

Or he could go on to be the next ex-flavor of the year top QB who never achieves success and bounces from team to team until he retires and nobody notices

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bleacher report predicts the #49ers will trade Jimmy Garoppolo and a 5th round draft pick for Sam Darnold

Thoughts 🤔⬇️

Via @brgridiron pic.twitter.com/Ydpo6urB0T

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) February 11, 2021

Not sure why the Jets would want Jimmy unless it's as a bridge for the rookie QB they draft? If that's the case why not just stick with Sam

..Good hurry and get this done .Darnold got some learning to do..IF THIS IS TRUE

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bleacher report predicts the #49ers will trade Jimmy Garoppolo and a 5th round draft pick for Sam Darnold

Thoughts 🤔⬇️

Via @brgridiron pic.twitter.com/Ydpo6urB0T

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) February 11, 2021

Not sure why the Jets would want Jimmy unless it's as a bridge for the rookie QB they draft? If that's the case why not just stick with Sam

The JETS may not want him but Saleh might.

Originally posted by Sourball:
Just for comparison....
Steve Young's 1st two seasons in the NFL (after spending time in sorta pro football USFL) he threw 11 TD's , 21 Int's and a completion percentage of 52.95% in Tampa Bay under Ray Perkins (who?). The 49ers traded a second-round pick, a fourth-round pick and $1 million to the Buccaneers for Young, who's career exploded and ended up with a Hall of Fame career.

Talent + Good coaching + Right scheme fit = success ( I saw that in a QB article I read a while back )

Not saying that Darnold is the next Steve Young, but with the right system and good coaching who knows?

Or he could go on to be the next ex-flavor of the year top QB who never achieves success and bounces from team to team until he retires and nobody notices

Yes. But (pre cap) the team were taking a gamble which was cushioned by the starting qb. And it took Steve a while to win that Super Bowl, even after he was given the starting role. And you are right in your last para. The potential downside of trading for Young was almost insignificant. Trading Garoppolo and bringing in Darnold? Well, you don't need me to list all the busted quarterbacks from 1st round picks. I prefer the Rosen gamble. The upside is probably nearly as high as the Darnold upside but the cost was nothing.

I shall be glad when the draft comes round and some of this qb speculation can be put behind us. Whatever the team do about the starting qb position, at least 20% of the webzone are going to hate it! And whoever they pick in the first, assuming they keep a pick in the first, about the same percentage are going to be convinced that it ranges from a mistake to a total bust.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bleacher report predicts the #49ers will trade Jimmy Garoppolo and a 5th round draft pick for Sam Darnold

Thoughts ??????

Via @brgridiron pic.twitter.com/Ydpo6urB0T

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) February 11, 2021

Not sure why the Jets would want Jimmy unless it's as a bridge for the rookie QB they draft? If that's the case why not just stick with Sam

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Going back to the original heading on this thread. Darnold is younger, has more upside, is more athletic and is less expensive. The cons are that he doesn't know Kyle's system. His record with the Jets is irrelevant to me since that team is terrible. It has no more meaning than Jimmy's short record with NE.

Yeah the only thing that worries me is that Darnold can have a rough 2021 getting to know Shanahan's system. Seems like it takes a year for QBs to master it. Shanahan cant afford another down year. If he wants Darnold to be as prepared as possible, he has to make the trade ASAP so he can fly Darnold over to SF and start the learning now.

if they make this change though, they better use that money on making sure Darnold's jersey clean after every game and that he has one more OW to throw to.

Thts the realistic approach. Theoretically, he struggles like most QBs would in a new system, maybe figures it out midway thru the season, but the team uses that extra 15-18mil to get some OL help to keep him clean. the running game and defense can carry the team while he gets up to speed. Pretty sure he's better than CJ and Nick and can be better than Jimmy after some time in it.

Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bleacher report predicts the #49ers will trade Jimmy Garoppolo and a 5th round draft pick for Sam Darnold

Thoughts ??????

Via @brgridiron pic.twitter.com/Ydpo6urB0T

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) February 11, 2021

Not sure why the Jets would want Jimmy unless it's as a bridge for the rookie QB they draft? If that's the case why not just stick with Sam

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Going back to the original heading on this thread. Darnold is younger, has more upside, is more athletic and is less expensive. The cons are that he doesn't know Kyle's system. His record with the Jets is irrelevant to me since that team is terrible. It has no more meaning than Jimmy's short record with NE.

Yeah the only thing that worries me is that Darnold can have a rough 2021 getting to know Shanahan's system. Seems like it takes a year for QBs to master it. Shanahan cant afford another down year. If he wants Darnold to be as prepared as possible, he has to make the trade ASAP so he can fly Darnold over to SF and start the learning now.

if they make this change though, they better use that money on making sure Darnold's jersey clean after every game and that he has one more OW to throw to.

Thts the realistic approach. Theoretically, he struggles like most QBs would in a new system, maybe figures it out midway thru the season, but the team uses that extra 15-18mil to get some OL help to keep him clean. the running game and defense can carry the team while he gets up to speed. Pretty sure he's better than CJ and Nick and can be better than Jimmy after some time in it.

The running game and defense already do carry the team.

I like the bleacher report suggested trade of Jimmy G plus a 5th for him. That would only be if they want Jimmy there to help transition the offense and play until a rookie was ready to start. They may not want him so just flip them the two 3rds we got for Saleh.

Trade what we need too while not giving up our first. Let him compete with Jimmy and if he's not ready he can learn.

i DO NOT want this guy... Period.

Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Gase broke Darnold. He was doing well under the previous head coach until Darnold got mono.

Yeah that's right, Gase was the reason Sam Darnold turned the ball over like it's going out of style. Gase was the reason he held the ball too long, took too many sacks, made bad reads and so on. Darnold made so many turnovers in college and he had arguably the best team in college football or among the best at the very least. The excuses made for this guy is amazing.

Drafting him to put him behind Garoppolo is impractical but a reasonable scenario, and with good coaching who knows what might happen? Trading Garoppolo and picking Darnold as his Day One replacement would be insane. Thankfully I don't think the team are quite that wild!

Just for comparison....
Steve Young's 1st two seasons in the NFL (after spending time in sorta pro football USFL) he threw 11 TD's , 21 Int's and a completion percentage of 52.95% in Tampa Bay under Ray Perkins (who?). The 49ers traded a second-round pick, a fourth-round pick and $1 million to the Buccaneers for Young, who's career exploded and ended up with a Hall of Fame career.

Talent + Good coaching + Right scheme fit = success ( I saw that in a QB article I read a while back )

Not saying that Darnold is the next Steve Young, but with the right system and good coaching who knows?

Or he could go on to be the next ex-flavor of the year top QB who never achieves success and bounces from team to team until he retires and nobody notices

The thing is, and I was alive but young and not really watching much football let alone BYU football when Steve was drafted. But I would imagine that while there were questions with Steve coming into the draft, he may have been a bit safer bet from the get go.

I don't know, different eras, different styles, different levels of information where you have almost volumes of scouting reports and websites and "experts" now versus then. I just remember Darnold seemed to take a step backward when it came to decision making and ball security his last year at USC and then left early anyway. Steve Young went from a guy who had a 1:1 TD to interception ratio in 2 years at BYU to a guy who had a better than 3:1 ratio his final year and finished second in the Heisman and went in the supplemental draft first overall.

I don't subscribe fully to the "don't draft or mess with players from this school" either, especially since I'm an Ohio State fan and hear it about QB's. But really in recent years just about every single USC QB hasn't gotten any traction whatsoever in the NFL. The only one recently who did was Carson Palmer, and he went through his ups and downs. Both in college and the NFL.

I always thought both of those guys, Darnold and Rosen both, were overhyped coming out of school. Maybe now that Rosen is here, maybe he does something. I don't personally see the need or the upside of having both of them even if some do.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

📽 Les Jets ont trouvé un moyen de marquer face à l'équipe C de San Francisco ! Sam Darnold trouve Braxton Berrios pour un TD ! #TakeFlight pic.twitter.com/ElWuBCbeaW

— NFL France (@NFLFrance) September 20, 2020