Sam Darnold-Traded to Panthers

Dear Lord. Please don't let this happen. Amen

Originally posted by AceDuce49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean what if you can get Sam for say a 4th this yr and a conditional 3rd in 2022, ship Jimmy to NE for a 2nd, and STILL draft a QB at 12?

You basically got your bridge QB for like $4M (save $20M), got a rookie like say Lance to sit and learn, got extra draft capital and still have Darnold to work with? I don't think Sam blows, talent is there. There was no way he was gonna be successful there.

You an apply the 5th yr option (which is only gtd for injury). If he plays decent you can ship him out in a yr and let some team give him an extension. If he sucks you can cut him and you lost out on a couple late 3rd/4th picks. Not the end of the world if you got the kid waiting in the wings and were able to resign your guys.

IF he's awesome, you can resign him to a 2/3yr deal and you still got a stud developing at QB.

The more I think about it, the more I don't think it's really that horrible of a thing. Either scenario you're gonna draft a kid still. you're just getting younger and cheaper...

These would all be better situations than where we are today imo.

Right? I don't think it's that wild of a scenario

Originally posted by lamontb:
Dear Lord. Please don't let this happen. Amen

Depends on what you have to give up and they would absolutely have to draft a QB in 2021. I just see him as a bridge QB not the future.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AceDuce49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean what if you can get Sam for say a 4th this yr and a conditional 3rd in 2022, ship Jimmy to NE for a 2nd, and STILL draft a QB at 12?

You basically got your bridge QB for like $4M (save $20M), got a rookie like say Lance to sit and learn, got extra draft capital and still have Darnold to work with? I don't think Sam blows, talent is there. There was no way he was gonna be successful there.

You an apply the 5th yr option (which is only gtd for injury). If he plays decent you can ship him out in a yr and let some team give him an extension. If he sucks you can cut him and you lost out on a couple late 3rd/4th picks. Not the end of the world if you got the kid waiting in the wings and were able to resign your guys.

IF he's awesome, you can resign him to a 2/3yr deal and you still got a stud developing at QB.

The more I think about it, the more I don't think it's really that horrible of a thing. Either scenario you're gonna draft a kid still. you're just getting younger and cheaper...

These would all be better situations than where we are today imo.

Right? I don't think it's that wild of a scenario

Not bad at all

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The only way I see it making sense is if he's super cheap, then he's basically a bridge QB for someone you draft this yr.

save $20M roll with darnold and Lance/fields, then ship Jimmy to the Pats for a 2nd

They can throw the 5th yr option on him, which Is only gtd from injury for 2022...if he sucks you lost out on a day 3 pick or two (and can cut him and save $25M), If he's decent you can trade him in 2022 or let him go and get a comp pick.

if he balls out you can throw a 3 yr deal his way, either way you still have a good young elite QB developing. That's the key, Darnold AND a young rookie.

Oh god, I wasn't even considering him starting. Darnold is a big downgrade from Jimmy. He cannot function on a play-to-play basis within an offense. I was thinking he could sit, learn and repair for a year or two as a backup. But as a day-one starter, 49ers will finish in last place if Sam Darnold is the starting QB in 2021.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Oh god, I wasn't even considering him starting. Darnold is a big downgrade from Jimmy. He cannot function on a play-to-play basis within an offense. I was thinking he could sit, learn and repair for a year or two as a backup. But as a day-one starter, 49ers will finish in last place if Sam Darnold is the starting QB in 2021.

It's hard for me to objectively gauge Sam while playing for Gase and that Jets roster. I know you weren't a fan of him coming out of USC.

I was just putting out the only scenario I can see with this being talked about today that makes sense (for me).

I would much rather have Jimmy, but I wouldn't hate having Trent/Carl Lawson/Verrett/juice/KW/Mack etc plus and extra 2nd (to help get a top rookie QB) with Sam for a yr.

we will see, I highly doubt this happens

Pls no. I wasn't a fan of him before the draft and im definitely not a fan rn. We have one salvation project in rosen. We don't need a potentially more risky/expensive one in darnold. Either get a rookie or go all in on Watson if they wanna move on from jimmy.

I think his career will look much like Stafford's

You have someone proven like Stafford plus a dumb team and you get high picks.
Wentz was good but failed lately. They weren't getting a current high pick. It was a conditional next year.
Darnold has never been successful but has potential. He's worth a later pick now but they won't accept it. They want a high pick. He could be worth, but not now. This screams a conditional pick trade likely a conditional 3rd next year that could be a second. It would be nice for him to be a backup, but I think jimmy will have to go this year to free up money. He will go to NE for the same type of trade, a conditional 3rd next year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
But from all the reports, it doesn't look like his cost will be that low. A 4th this year just isn't going to cut it. There's a couple teams out there that he could possibly be an upgrade for and those teams would give up at least a couple of 3rds, if not a 2nd round pick like most reports are suggesting.

If we go that route, we can't treat him as a bridge QB. Would be a mistake to give up a couple 3rds, or a 2nd, just for him to start for a year and then the rookie takes over. Especially if he doesn't look good, then you're screwed.

Imo, it's too much of a risk trading for him. Only way it would be okay if the cost is low, like a 4th and a 5th, which I highly doubt.

Reports based off what? What the Jets "want" for Sam? That doesn't mean anything. Philly wanted multiple 1sts for Wentz...how'd that go?

I mean I don't see a single team throwing a 2nd for him, regardless of what they want. More than likely a 3rd or 4th and a conditional pick in 2022 based off playing time/record etc...

I mean has SF not given up mid rd picks for "rental" players in the past? You more than likely regain those picks by trading Jimmy (possibly get more).

I don't think it's likely, I also don't think it's that far fetched... obviously it will be about compensation.

Rental players you do when you know you can contend for a championship. Like we did with Sanders. That made sense. But this won't be a year of contending. On top of that, the plan wasn't to lose Sanders, we still wanted him back and tried.

Here the plan is to basically turn Darnold into a good player. If we trade for him, and he isn't good, those picks are gone and you get no value back out of him. If you trade for him, and he turns out good, then you wasted a top pick on the QB you just drafted. Because we get rid of Jimmy, don't draft a QB, and expect Darnold to be that guy? That won't happen.

Is he worth a second? Idk, probably not. But you are still looking at multiple picks that we could really use this year.

Trade a 5th for Darnold and a 6th.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Trade a 5th for Darnold and a 6th.

We can offer that, but they would just hang up immediately.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Trade a 5th for Darnold and a 6th.

We can offer that, but they would just hang up immediately.

Oh no.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Rental players you do when you know you can contend for a championship. Like we did with Sanders. That made sense. But this won't be a year of contending. On top of that, the plan wasn't to lose Sanders, we still wanted him back and tried.

Here the plan is to basically turn Darnold into a good player. If we trade for him, and he isn't good, those picks are gone and you get no value back out of him. If you trade for him, and he turns out good, then you wasted a top pick on the QB you just drafted. Because we get rid of Jimmy, don't draft a QB, and expect Darnold to be that guy? That won't happen.

Is he worth a second? Idk, probably not. But you are still looking at multiple picks that we could really use this year.

We wanted him back so bad that we didn't even offer him a deal?

I view Jimmy at this point as a "rental" player just happens to be stupid expensive. Same with Darnold.

Yes if Darnold magically turns into a super star you give him a small extension or trade him for some great picks and yes either way you still have a elite prospect QB, that's cheap waiting in the wings. s**t you can probably trade him for a pretty penny as well, if you're sold on Sam.

If Darnold blows you spent a couple mid rd picks and saved $20M to resign guys that are still on your team vs a couple picks that have a good chance of turning into nothing special.

I'm not trading a 2nd for Sam, I also don't think any team is either. Hey we will see.