Randy Moss apparently still smoking a lot of weed

It is funny how the parameters keep shifting.

I listened to chad johnson for as long as i could, he said physicslly gifted, numbers dont matter. So the person brings up deandre hopkins, but then chad says no way his career is not succesful enough.

I'm glad you started this discussion.

Originally posted by NERV:

I'm glad you started this discussion.

Well that's a strange bump for a 1st post.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NERV:
I'm glad you started this discussion.

Well that's a strange bump for a 1st post.

LOL

Coming back to this and something I was reminded of was that at 40 years old Jerry Rice caught 92 balls for over 1,200 yards with 7 touchdowns.

A 40 year old wide receiver with still enough skills to do that. We talk about Sherman's decline at corner and here Rice was doing that at 40.

Moss had neither the mental or physical makeup to do anything like that.

Freak athlete and supremely gifted yes. Not an undeserving Hall of Famer. But he couldn't touch Rice on his best day.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Coming back to this and something I was reminded of was that at 40 years old Jerry Rice caught 92 balls for over 1,200 yards with 7 touchdowns.

A 40 year old wide receiver with still enough skills to do that. We talk about Sherman's decline at corner and here Rice was doing that at 40.

Moss had neither the mental or physical makeup to do anything like that.

Freak athlete and supremely gifted yes. Not an undeserving Hall of Famer. But he couldn't touch Rice on his best day.

I did a deep dive into the stats a while back. Check it out:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Randy is using the word "impact" to try and hide the fact that he had very forgettable years in Oakland in the middle of his career, and did not have near the longevity of Rice. He's also ignoring the fact that he played his entire career after the 1993-94 rule change on defensive holding and pass interference, which benefitted the passing game tremendously. Versus Rice who was 32 years old by the time that happened.

Here's a good read on the impact of those rules changes:

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/1994-nfl-rules-how-a-series-of-pass-friendly-changes-saved-a-moribund-league-and-created-the-modern-nfl.html#:~:text=The%20changes%20they%20pushed%20through,scrimmage%3B%20adding%20two%20point%20conversions%3B

And let's take a look at Jerry's numbers in the three seasons after the 1994 change:

1994 (age 32): 112 catches, 1499 yards,13 TD's
1995 (age 33): 122 catches, 1848 yards, 15 TD's
1996 (age 34): 108 catches, 1254 yards, 8 TD's

He was hurt the next season and obviously was never the same, but those totals are all the same or better than the early part of his career, during a time when most players aren't producing as much. So imagine what Rice's numbers would have looked like had he played his entire career after 1994, as Moss did? Rice had 22 TD's in 12 GAMES in 1987 (strike shortened), and Moss wants to talk about "impact?"

Anyway, for comparison, let's look at Moss's stats at those same ages:

2009 (age 32): 83 catches, 1264 yards, 13 TD's
2010 (age 33): 28 catches, 393 yards, 5 TD's
2011 (age 34): sitting on his couch

Let's also take the best season for each receiving stat for each and compare it to one another:

Receptions: Rice 122 (1995), Moss 111 (2003)
Receiving yards: Rice 1,848 (1995), Moss 1,632 (2003)
Touchdowns: Rice 22 (1987, 12 games due to strike), Moss 23 (2007)
Yards per catch: Rice 20.4 (1988), Moss 19.0 (1998)

Here's one more interesting note. Randy Moss was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018 at age 40, well deserved! When Jerry Rice was 40 he was still playing, and had 92 catches, 1,211 yards, and 7 TD's. He also played in his 4th Super Bowl, leading the Raiders with 5 catches for 77 yards and a TD, albeit in a losing effort.

Not only is Jerry Rice far and away the greatest wide receiver to ever play, you can easily make an argument (and one that I believe) that he's the greatest football player to ever play the game of football.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I did a deep dive into the stats a while back. Check it out:

JR is the best WR in NFL history it's not even close. I will say though that I hate when he flaps his gums now ,not a very smart human being. Kinda trying to act like Mike Irvin, very dumb humans can still be unbelievable football players.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Coming back to this and something I was reminded of was that at 40 years old Jerry Rice caught 92 balls for over 1,200 yards with 7 touchdowns.

A 40 year old wide receiver with still enough skills to do that. We talk about Sherman's decline at corner and here Rice was doing that at 40.

Moss had neither the mental or physical makeup to do anything like that.

Freak athlete and supremely gifted yes. Not an undeserving Hall of Famer. But he couldn't touch Rice on his best day.

I did a deep dive into the stats a while back. Check it out:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Randy is using the word "impact" to try and hide the fact that he had very forgettable years in Oakland in the middle of his career, and did not have near the longevity of Rice. He's also ignoring the fact that he played his entire career after the 1993-94 rule change on defensive holding and pass interference, which benefitted the passing game tremendously. Versus Rice who was 32 years old by the time that happened.

Here's a good read on the impact of those rules changes:

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/1994-nfl-rules-how-a-series-of-pass-friendly-changes-saved-a-moribund-league-and-created-the-modern-nfl.html#:~:text=The%20changes%20they%20pushed%20through,scrimmage%3B%20adding%20two%20point%20conversions%3B

And let's take a look at Jerry's numbers in the three seasons after the 1994 change:

1994 (age 32): 112 catches, 1499 yards,13 TD's
1995 (age 33): 122 catches, 1848 yards, 15 TD's
1996 (age 34): 108 catches, 1254 yards, 8 TD's

He was hurt the next season and obviously was never the same, but those totals are all the same or better than the early part of his career, during a time when most players aren't producing as much. So imagine what Rice's numbers would have looked like had he played his entire career after 1994, as Moss did? Rice had 22 TD's in 12 GAMES in 1987 (strike shortened), and Moss wants to talk about "impact?"

Anyway, for comparison, let's look at Moss's stats at those same ages:

2009 (age 32): 83 catches, 1264 yards, 13 TD's
2010 (age 33): 28 catches, 393 yards, 5 TD's
2011 (age 34): sitting on his couch

Let's also take the best season for each receiving stat for each and compare it to one another:

Receptions: Rice 122 (1995), Moss 111 (2003)
Receiving yards: Rice 1,848 (1995), Moss 1,632 (2003)
Touchdowns: Rice 22 (1987, 12 games due to strike), Moss 23 (2007)
Yards per catch: Rice 20.4 (1988), Moss 19.0 (1998)

Here's one more interesting note. Randy Moss was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018 at age 40, well deserved! When Jerry Rice was 40 he was still playing, and had 92 catches, 1,211 yards, and 7 TD's. He also played in his 4th Super Bowl, leading the Raiders with 5 catches for 77 yards and a TD, albeit in a losing effort.

Not only is Jerry Rice far and away the greatest wide receiver to ever play, you can easily make an argument (and one that I believe) that he's the greatest football player to ever play the game of football.

Perfectly said. Best player all time....easily

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Coming back to this and something I was reminded of was that at 40 years old Jerry Rice caught 92 balls for over 1,200 yards with 7 touchdowns.

A 40 year old wide receiver with still enough skills to do that. We talk about Sherman's decline at corner and here Rice was doing that at 40.

Moss had neither the mental or physical makeup to do anything like that.

Freak athlete and supremely gifted yes. Not an undeserving Hall of Famer. But he couldn't touch Rice on his best day.

I did a deep dive into the stats a while back. Check it out:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Randy is using the word "impact" to try and hide the fact that he had very forgettable years in Oakland in the middle of his career, and did not have near the longevity of Rice. He's also ignoring the fact that he played his entire career after the 1993-94 rule change on defensive holding and pass interference, which benefitted the passing game tremendously. Versus Rice who was 32 years old by the time that happened.

Here's a good read on the impact of those rules changes:

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/1994-nfl-rules-how-a-series-of-pass-friendly-changes-saved-a-moribund-league-and-created-the-modern-nfl.html#:~:text=The%20changes%20they%20pushed%20through,scrimmage%3B%20adding%20two%20point%20conversions%3B

And let's take a look at Jerry's numbers in the three seasons after the 1994 change:

1994 (age 32): 112 catches, 1499 yards,13 TD's
1995 (age 33): 122 catches, 1848 yards, 15 TD's
1996 (age 34): 108 catches, 1254 yards, 8 TD's

He was hurt the next season and obviously was never the same, but those totals are all the same or better than the early part of his career, during a time when most players aren't producing as much. So imagine what Rice's numbers would have looked like had he played his entire career after 1994, as Moss did? Rice had 22 TD's in 12 GAMES in 1987 (strike shortened), and Moss wants to talk about "impact?"

Anyway, for comparison, let's look at Moss's stats at those same ages:

2009 (age 32): 83 catches, 1264 yards, 13 TD's
2010 (age 33): 28 catches, 393 yards, 5 TD's
2011 (age 34): sitting on his couch

Let's also take the best season for each receiving stat for each and compare it to one another:

Receptions: Rice 122 (1995), Moss 111 (2003)
Receiving yards: Rice 1,848 (1995), Moss 1,632 (2003)
Touchdowns: Rice 22 (1987, 12 games due to strike), Moss 23 (2007)
Yards per catch: Rice 20.4 (1988), Moss 19.0 (1998)

Here's one more interesting note. Randy Moss was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018 at age 40, well deserved! When Jerry Rice was 40 he was still playing, and had 92 catches, 1,211 yards, and 7 TD's. He also played in his 4th Super Bowl, leading the Raiders with 5 catches for 77 yards and a TD, albeit in a losing effort.

Not only is Jerry Rice far and away the greatest wide receiver to ever play, you can easily make an argument (and one that I believe) that he's the greatest football player to ever play the game of football.

Perfectly said. Best player all time....easily

Great minds...

Jerry Jerry Jerry Jerry

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Coming back to this and something I was reminded of was that at 40 years old Jerry Rice caught 92 balls for over 1,200 yards with 7 touchdowns.

A 40 year old wide receiver with still enough skills to do that. We talk about Sherman's decline at corner and here Rice was doing that at 40.

Moss had neither the mental or physical makeup to do anything like that.

Freak athlete and supremely gifted yes. Not an undeserving Hall of Famer. But he couldn't touch Rice on his best day.

I did a deep dive into the stats a while back. Check it out:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Randy is using the word "impact" to try and hide the fact that he had very forgettable years in Oakland in the middle of his career, and did not have near the longevity of Rice. He's also ignoring the fact that he played his entire career after the 1993-94 rule change on defensive holding and pass interference, which benefitted the passing game tremendously. Versus Rice who was 32 years old by the time that happened.

Here's a good read on the impact of those rules changes:

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/1994-nfl-rules-how-a-series-of-pass-friendly-changes-saved-a-moribund-league-and-created-the-modern-nfl.html#:~:text=The%20changes%20they%20pushed%20through,scrimmage%3B%20adding%20two%20point%20conversions%3B

And let's take a look at Jerry's numbers in the three seasons after the 1994 change:

1994 (age 32): 112 catches, 1499 yards,13 TD's
1995 (age 33): 122 catches, 1848 yards, 15 TD's
1996 (age 34): 108 catches, 1254 yards, 8 TD's

He was hurt the next season and obviously was never the same, but those totals are all the same or better than the early part of his career, during a time when most players aren't producing as much. So imagine what Rice's numbers would have looked like had he played his entire career after 1994, as Moss did? Rice had 22 TD's in 12 GAMES in 1987 (strike shortened), and Moss wants to talk about "impact?"

Anyway, for comparison, let's look at Moss's stats at those same ages:

2009 (age 32): 83 catches, 1264 yards, 13 TD's
2010 (age 33): 28 catches, 393 yards, 5 TD's
2011 (age 34): sitting on his couch

Let's also take the best season for each receiving stat for each and compare it to one another:

Receptions: Rice 122 (1995), Moss 111 (2003)
Receiving yards: Rice 1,848 (1995), Moss 1,632 (2003)
Touchdowns: Rice 22 (1987, 12 games due to strike), Moss 23 (2007)
Yards per catch: Rice 20.4 (1988), Moss 19.0 (1998)

Here's one more interesting note. Randy Moss was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018 at age 40, well deserved! When Jerry Rice was 40 he was still playing, and had 92 catches, 1,211 yards, and 7 TD's. He also played in his 4th Super Bowl, leading the Raiders with 5 catches for 77 yards and a TD, albeit in a losing effort.

Not only is Jerry Rice far and away the greatest wide receiver to ever play, you can easily make an argument (and one that I believe) that he's the greatest football player to ever play the game of football.

Perfectly said. Best player all time....easily

Yep. And his last year (Moss) was actually as a backup/deep threat WR with us and he was useful. But that was his role at age 33. Rice at 33, well we saw the numbers and yes the impact.

Randy Moss's assertion that he's the best wide receiver of all time, with T.O. following closely and Jerry Rice trailing behind, might raise eyebrows among football aficionados. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, this statement seems like more of a bold claim rather than an objective assessment. Sure, Moss was an electrifying player in his prime, and T.O. brought unparalleled intensity to the field, but ranking Jerry Rice below them feels like overlooking the undeniable impact and consistency Rice brought to the game. With his unparalleled work ethic and unmatched statistics, Rice has long been hailed as the epitome of greatness in the wide receiver position. So, while Moss's confidence is admirable, perhaps taking a step back to appreciate the legacy of all three players, including Habibi Hash in the conversation, would offer a more comprehensive perspective on the matter.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by susweel:
Moss was basically only good for the deep pass and end zone fade. Also only played hard sometimes.

Rice could do it all.

Moss could never be considered the best because he was mainly only good at deep routes and intermediate if that. He never could get YAC so his game was limited. Look at how many games they took him out. All they had to do was cover the Deep pass and Randy moss was largely ineffective. He did open up things for other players however rice was good short intermediate and deep same with Terrell Owens. Both are much more valuable than moss in my opinion

Totally agree!!!

Why is it that Brady is considered a unanimous best ever QB because of rings, but Rice with his stats cannot be regarded the same?

It's undeniable Brady and Rice had the best careers of their respective positions. Super talented, maybe not the most talented, but production that is unparalleled. Mahomes for all his hype will likely not eclipse Brady's stats and rings.

If Moss or TO are better than Rice, then damn it, Montana is better than Brady. Because over the first 10-12 years of their careers, Montana had more rings and better stats in a tougher era. Montana also had a more dominant aura plus had mobility and could extend plays better. His come from behind wins against the Giants and Eagles in back to back years are lore Brady never had until his 28-3 comeback. Brady just kept it up forever, but up until his 14th or 15th year, he wasn't even regarded as better than Peyton Manning.

Not trying to knock Gore, but if he managed to rush #1 all time over Emmitt Smith, would that have made him the best RB ever? People still give him ish at #3 all time rushing stats (and most games ever played by an RB).

I hate the double standard around Niner players in these aspects.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Why is it that Brady is considered a unanimous best ever QB because of rings, but Rice with his stats cannot be regarded the same?

It's undeniable Brady and Rice had the best careers of their respective positions. Super talented, maybe not the most talented, but production that is unparalleled. Mahomes for all his hype will likely not eclipse Brady's stats and rings.

If Moss or TO are better than Rice, then damn it, Montana is better than Brady. Because over the first 10-12 years of their careers, Montana had more rings and better stats in a tougher era. Montana also had a more dominant aura plus had mobility and could extend plays better. His come from behind wins against the Giants and Eagles in back to back years are lore Brady never had until his 28-3 comeback. Brady just kept it up forever, but up until his 14th or 15th year, he wasn't even regarded as better than Peyton Manning.

Not trying to knock Gore, but if he managed to rush #1 all time over Emmitt Smith, would that have made him the best RB ever? People still give him ish at #3 all time rushing stats (and most games ever played by an RB).

I hate the double standard around Niner players in these aspects.

I agree, the disrespect for Niner players in all time rankings is absurd.

I won't indulge into Moss' idiotic claims, but when it comes to WRs the top 3 should always be:
Rice followed by Owens/Moss with the latter two being interchangeable. I see so many rankings that try to put Fitz, Calvin Johnson, etc above Owens. Which is ridiculous.