Randy Moss apparently still smoking a lot of weed

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens
Randy Moss
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Everyone else.

Larry Fitzgerald ahead of everyone but Rice.

Yeah...I said it.

I watched this dude put up monster games with Max Hall, John Skelton, Kevin Kolb and Ryan Lindley as his QBs. There were years where he was catching passes from QBs that make Nick Mullens look like Tom Brady. He went absolute beast mode in the playoffs multiple times. Numerous game winning catches. He certainly did enough for the Cards to win the SB against Pittsburgh before their defense collapsed.

Quiet, consummate pro, great leader and ridiculously hard worker that will never receive the accolades that he deserves because of the garbage teams that he played on.

I feel like you could make arguments for a lot of different guys for #2. Moss thinks he's the GOAT and really he isn't even the clear cut runner up.

I'm still trying to figure out what he means by a player's impact on the field is what matters not stats or championships. What is this measurable impact if you're not using yards, receptions, td's, wins? And how are stats political?

If he just said Rice played in a better organization and if I played with Brady my whole career I'd stack up better ok but his argument just doesn't make any sense to me

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I'm still trying to figure out what he means by a player's impact on the field is what matters not stats or championships. What is this measurable impact if you're not using yards, receptions, td's, wins? And how are stats political?

If he just said Rice played in a better organization and if I played with Brady my whole career I'd stack up better ok but his argument just doesn't make any sense to me

I think part of it is him trying to dismiss the raw numbers because Rice played longer. Similar to how some people try to dismiss Gore as if longevity is somehow a negative.

The thing Moss conveniently ignores is that if he applies that to Rice then he needs to apply that to everyone and that immediately throws guys like Megatron into the conversation alongside Moss for who's second fiddle to Rice.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

I think part of it is him trying to dismiss the raw numbers because Rice played longer. Similar to how some people try to dismiss Gore as if longevity is somehow a negative.

The thing Moss conveniently ignores is that if he applies that to Rice then he needs to apply that to everyone and that immediately throws guys like Megatron into the conversation alongside Moss for who's second fiddle to Rice.

He won't say it because Randy is not even in the top 20 for yards per game. Jerry beats him on that too.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

I think part of it is him trying to dismiss the raw numbers because Rice played longer. Similar to how some people try to dismiss Gore as if longevity is somehow a negative.

The thing Moss conveniently ignores is that if he applies that to Rice then he needs to apply that to everyone and that immediately throws guys like Megatron into the conversation alongside Moss for who's second fiddle to Rice.

Also if you were to break their stats down into per season averages Rice still has the better numbers, and that's factoring in Rice's last couple of years that weren't very productive. So citing how much longer Rice played doesn't really help Moss.

Lol y'all cracking me up.

Originally posted by krizay:

Lol y'all cracking me up.

I can't believe someone would think it's even close tbh.

I say Speed-Balls While Moss was a talented WR, and he says he was this "great impact" on the game, then tell me WTF happened to his "impact" in the Super Bowl where he caught TWO passes for the Niners ⁉️⁉️⁉️

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/143354-jerry-rice-responds-randy-moss-claim-nfl-history/

The twitter user cited here is actually me Anyone that remembers me as a more regular poster on here probably remembers I was all about having tons of random dynasty era statistics😂

Originally posted by Niners816:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/143354-jerry-rice-responds-randy-moss-claim-nfl-history/

The twitter user cited here is actually me Anyone that remembers me as a more regular poster on here probably remembers I was all about having tons of random dynasty era statistics😂

Sup Jeremy

Originally posted by susweel:
Moss was basically only good for the deep pass and end zone fade. Also only played hard sometimes.

Rice could do it all.

And that was one of my first thought and this forever puts the silly point to bed for me.

A guy who gives half effort at times ain't the best of all time.

Tremendous physical talent and yes more so than Rice. Not even close to the better WR on the field.

Damn. I forgot about fitzgerald. I out him over both to and moss due for mostly longtivity

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Damn. I forgot about fitzgerald. I out him over both to and moss due for mostly longtivity

Agreed it's Rice then a debate between megatron and fitz, then moss, then a debate with TO and everyone else. TO is arguably not in the top 5

Originally posted by HomestarRunner:
I feel like anyone saying Moss and T.O. were more physically gifted than Jerry must not be remembering the first third of JR's career. You could have two or more guys on Jerry Rice but if you hit him underneath on a crossing route and he didn't have to break full stride it usually meant six points. He would blow by the entire defensive backfield whether they had position on him or not. It was one of those special things that only occasionally happens in sports where everyone knew exactly what was coming but were usually powerless to do anything to stop it. Moss and T.O. were often amazing but they never achieved that level of dominance.

And lmao at Moss claiming stats are "political" Even if we go by his abstract metric of greatest impact on the game (which he has to use because using anything that's measurable is no contest) you still have to give it to Rice. By the mid 90's half the NFL was running the WCO and trying to emulate what we'd been doing with Jerry that's due in no small part to Rice himself.

Also did it ever occur to T.O. that the HOF qb's throwing to Jerry Rice were HOF qb's in large part because they were throwing to Jerry Rice? Rice had good numbers and a high level of play with Rich Gannon too... WHEN HE WAS 40! Seriously guys, go lay by your dish, you aren't even close.

We could legitimately divide the WCO history into pre-Jerry Rice and post-Jerry Rice. The offense hit different. Montana, for all of his greatness (and he is the GOAT QB in my opinion) went to a different level when Rice got on this team. And yeah, Rice from 86 to say 90 or 92, was devastating. Didn't he have a year when he averaged over 20 yards per catch? There is the 22 TDs in 12 games....it's ridiculous.