What is our best QB option for 2021?

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
I don't believe Jimmy can win us a SB. Opinion, fact, who cares - I just don't believe.

No idea if the answer is out there this off season so if he's back I really hope I'm wrong.

I'm not the biggest Jimmy G supporter but this just isn't true. We should have won the SB last year even with Jimmy stinking it up. The defense collapsed late in the game. You should have said Jimmy ALONE can't win us a SB. I would agree with that.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't but it seems like a lot of people do. Whenever someone says I don't like ( fill in the blank) someone comes back with where are your facts or stats. It's like it isn't enough to just have an opinion. You can dislike a player for a variety of reasons no matter what his stats are.

And that's just my opinion.

The comment wasn't directed at you , or any person in particular. When someone voices their opinion, that's one thing. But when they claim their opinion is fact, that's when it goes off the rails. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

I don't believe Jimmy can win us a SB. Opinion, fact, who cares - I just don't believe.

No idea if the answer is out there this off season so if he's back I really hope I'm wrong.

I'm not the biggest Jimmy G supporter but this just isn't true. We should have won the SB last year even with Jimmy stinking it up. The defense collapsed late in the game. You should have said Jimmy ALONE can't win us a SB. I would agree with that.

No, I should have said exactly what I said. I don't believe we can win a SB with Jimmy. That's all I said.

Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Your numbers on Stafford are wrong. He'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next year since Detroit would absorb a large cap hit. Stafford would ultimately cost the 49ers or any team trading for him around $20 million for 2021 and $23 million for 2022.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

We wouldn't be taking on $33mil for Stafford if we traded for him. The Lions have to take on the dead money, he doesn't get paid that money twice.

Stafford would cost us a little less than Jimmy so financially it's a not an issue.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Your numbers on Stafford are wrong. He'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next year since Detroit would absorb a large cap hit. Stafford would ultimately cost the 49ers or any team trading for him around $20 million.

Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't thinking about Detroit absorbing the cap hit in a potential trade. I thought part of the trade parameters would be the acquiring team taking on most/all of that $33M cap hit. But with what you mention, it now makes me doubt even more that Detroit would trade him.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Your numbers on Stafford are wrong. He'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next year since Detroit would absorb a large cap hit. Stafford would ultimately cost the 49ers or any team trading for him around $20 million.

Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't thinking about Detroit absorbing the cap hit in a potential trade. I thought part of the trade parameters would be the acquiring team taking on most/all of that $33M cap hit. But with what you mention, it now makes me doubt even more that Detroit would trade him.

Way too much has to happen before a trade to anyone even becomes a possibility.

New GM, new coach, draft order, coaches under the HC, deciding which position to focus on in FA/draft etc

Detroit has more question marks than the Riddler right now.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Your numbers on Stafford are wrong. He'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next year since Detroit would absorb a large cap hit. Stafford would ultimately cost the 49ers or any team trading for him around $20 million.

Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't thinking about Detroit absorbing the cap hit in a potential trade. I thought part of the trade parameters would be the acquiring team taking on most/all of that $33M cap hit. But with what you mention, it now makes me doubt even more that Detroit would trade him.

Way too much has to happen before a trade to anyone even becomes a possibility.

New GM, new coach, draft order, coaches under the HC, deciding which position to focus on in FA/draft etc

Detroit has more question marks than the Riddler right now.

Yeah, good points. And what you said, "before a trade to anyone"...if teams found out a guy like Stafford was available via trade, who knows how many teams would be interested...and who knows what the ultimate price to acquire him would be.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Your numbers on Stafford are wrong. He'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next year since Detroit would absorb a large cap hit. Stafford would ultimately cost the 49ers or any team trading for him around $20 million.

Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't thinking about Detroit absorbing the cap hit in a potential trade. I thought part of the trade parameters would be the acquiring team taking on most/all of that $33M cap hit. But with what you mention, it now makes me doubt even more that Detroit would trade him.

Way too much has to happen before a trade to anyone even becomes a possibility.

New GM, new coach, draft order, coaches under the HC, deciding which position to focus on in FA/draft etc

Detroit has more question marks than the Riddler right now.

Yeah, good points. And what you said, "before a trade to anyone"...if teams found out a guy like Stafford was available via trade, who knows how many teams would be interested...and who knows what the ultimate price to acquire him would be.

One thing I'm very curious about this off season is whether teams use more draft picks for established players getting squeezed out for cap reasons rather than rookies who have less tape due to the disrupted college season.

A guy like Stafford is a good example. Proven QB for $20mil, Detroit free up $14mil and draft capital for their rebuild in a tight cap year (final cap numbers tbd of course).

There could be a lot of teams looking for opportunities like that.

If Stafford became available it's got BB written all over it IMO.

I'm pretty sure Detroit is in dire need of a new vision and a rebuild. That's pretty obvious. They need a new HC and GM. They need to build a new identity and to do that you have to draft guys for your system. So the question is as followed:

If they are rebuilding, why would Detroit sit on an asset like Matthew Stafford and let it spoil while they rebuild? The answer is they won't. Stafford has been there long enough and he isn't going to want to put up with rebuild either. Both sides are likely looking for a fresh start.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Your numbers on Stafford are wrong. He'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next year since Detroit would absorb a large cap hit. Stafford would ultimately cost the 49ers or any team trading for him around $20 million for 2021 and $23 million for 2022.

Isn't that only the case if they keep him past his roster bonus date just a few days after the start of the new football year?

"Yes, I do believe Jimmy is going to be our quarterback next year," - Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by jcs:
"Yes, I do believe Jimmy is going to be our quarterback next year," - Kyle Shanahan

Also Shanahan about the same topic:

"Guys, you can't say anything with certainty," Shanahan said. "You don't sit here and make promises on anything. We build a football team. It's (our) job to put the best team together year-in and year-out."

Originally posted by jcs:

"Yes, I do believe Jimmy is going to be our quarterback next year," - Kyle Shanahan

"DeFo is someone we want to be a Niner for a long time. So, however the best way is to get that done," - Kyle Shanahan.



Sometimes what's said today means nothing tomorrow.

We'll find out in the off season I guess.