What is our best QB option for 2021?

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Some would like Stafford next year and I definitely get it. He's an excellent QB that's been stuck on some very average-to-poor Detroit teams. But would Detroit even trade him? If so, what would they ask - at least a 1st Rd. pick in this upcoming draft I'd think. He's almost 33 so definitely has many years left and he's under contract for 2021 & 2022. Would he just come in here and learn Shanahan's offense right away without this team missing a beat? I don't know, but I do know he's a great talent at QB and would have to be a consideration - IF the Lions thought about trading him.

That said, I'm hoping it's Garoppolo again leading this team at QB next year. Given the options for this poll, Stafford would be the other vet for consideration IMO. Here's some of what has to be weighed between the two:

Garoppolo: 29 years old, $26M cap hit in 2021; knows this system well & has proved he can play a big part in helping this team win at a high rate; also, a proven & respected team leader

Stafford: 32 years old; $33M cap hit in 2021; new to this system but maybe could pick it up quick or at least enough; amazing arm talent; respected NFL veteran

If you want Stafford, are you willing to absorb $7M more against the cap when this team needs all the cap space it can get? In addition, are you willing to give up at least the 1st Rd. pick & maybe more?

Not me. I'll take Garoppolo, and perhaps something like a contract restructure with him could happen to help with next year's most-likely lowered cap number. In keeping him, the team will be able to keep much-needed draft capital to fortify key areas such as Edge, CB & IOL. Shoring up the OL is a must - for Garoppolo or whomever the QB is. Center really stands out as this team is on their 4th option right now.

I would try to draft a young promising QB to learn under Shanahan but that hopefully isn't another Beathard. It's just not that easy getting such a quality QB in the draft as we've seen it be a total crapshoot. As we've all seen, just ask the all-time great QB Elway about that. He now has Drew Lock - is he finally the guy? Also, with what pick do you take a QB with this year's group? 2nd? If so, does that mean a guy like Trask (assuming he lasts until the 2nd)? Whatever happens, this team needs a better QB room for the near team and things can hopefully become more clear for the longer term at the most important position on the field.

Regarding Garoppolo, I absolutely do believe he can help this team win a SB. He and the team were 1/2 a Qtr. away from doing it. I'm a believer from my time playing sports that you grow from such experiences and, with the talent on this team, they'll be better next time in executing and they will seal the deal.

Yes, he was a half quarter away from doing it, and then had a 2.8 passer rating in that quarter. Without an upgrade in the quarterback position, our window is closed. That's part of why some people want Stafford despite his age and contract - the window is open, and it won't be open for long.

Building with an eye toward the future is fine, but I personally would rather win a Super Bowl, even if it causes us to accelerate to that rebuilding phase. One Super Bowl win and five years of being 6-10 is better to me than ten years of mediocrity and never winning one.

But yeah, you're probably right that it's unlikely the Lions unload him. I think they have to do it by the 5th day of the start of the season.

Oh yeah, regarding drafting a QB: first round QBs are not really a crapshoot, not any more. If I recall correctly, roughly 50-75% of them in the last few years made it to their second contract on the team that drafted them or at least giving the team a season or two of quality play. Unless you mean getting a transcendent QB is a crapshoot, and if that's the case then yeah. It does seem to alternate between a good year and bad year for early QBs though. Last year only Murray was worth it, but in 2018, you have Mayfield, Allen and Jackson to Rosen and Darnold, and only Rosen is pure trash so far. Then in 2017 you had Mahomes and Watson to Trubisky. And in 2016 you had Goff, Wentz and Lynch, which to me is a greater than 50 break because of Wentz' great season. Goff and Wentz may not be worth their draft status, but they are good enough to start in the NFL (given the dearth of true starting QBs).

But if it's a 50-50 chance in round 1, it definitely drops with each round. If you're gonna draft one, you're better off doing it early.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

If Saleh is going to the Lions next year.. why would he let Stafford go, if he knows his former boss thinks he's good enough to lead the playoff ready 9ers?

Probably because that team needs a full top to bottom rebuild. If you can get a 1st or the equivalent of a 1st for Stafford, that just provides more picks to work with in rebuilding a horrendous defense and run game. Detroit is 5-6 win team with Stafford. They're 2-3 years away from competing from anything, may as well get something for Stafford while you can.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

If Saleh is going to the Lions next year.. why would he let Stafford go, if he knows his former boss thinks he's good enough to lead the playoff ready 9ers?

Agreed. It's not like they have the 1st pick and Lawrence. They're going to blindly trade Stafford to gamble on Trey Lance? Or wait to the 2nd and pick Mac Jones. Asking him to do a complete overhaul of the team seems like too much to handle.

Saleh might as well just start filing for dc again.

Also I think teams be wary of tanking for season ticket holder purposes. It's going to be a rough couple of years. Trying to sell the public on a 2 win team may not be good for the wallet.

To me, the answer to this question is Jimmy Garoppolo - he just has to get healthy & stay healthy in starting AND finishing games like he did in 19 straight games in 2019. When he starts and plays the entire game for this team:

33 total starts for the Niners, 29 games completed

Of those 29 games he's completed, the Niners have won 23 of those games, or winning 79% of the time.

But what's also impressive to me is in every one of those 29 games where he's played the entire game, Garoppolo has helped keep this team in every single one of those games in giving them a chance to win. Every single game. Not one blowout, which as we see on any given gameday can and does happen to any team. Garoppolo has been a huge reason for either helping guide this team to many wins or, at the very least, keeping them competitive in games and giving them a chance to win in each game. That means a lot to me in a QB1 as, when combined with the other key talent on this team, it gives realistic hope to get a W on any given gameday vs. any team.

We've seen him have rough stretches in games, make poor decisions, turn the ball over, whatever, but then what does he do time and time again? He bounces right back the next series and drives the team down the field for a score to get all or at least some momentum back. Many, many QBs out there do not do this very well and things start going downhill quickly in a game. It's that bounce-back factor he brings, that competitiveness, that ability, whatever you want to call it, that's one of the many traits of his that really stands out to me. It keeps this team in games, even on "off" days for him or the team, and gives them a good chance to come out of each game with a victory.

Having a QB with such a combination of talent and this type of competitive drive & ability to come back from adversity and lead this team is exactly what I want in my QB1. His teammates here sure seem to have taken notice - from Kittle to Juice to T. Williams to others. They just need more of him...more of him staying healthy and playing complete games. I'm looking forward to that happening hopefully next season. Going to be an interesting offseason.

With Jimmy we need an elite running game and an elite defense to be able ro win because we have to run more than we pass.

Last year: #2 running game + #2 defense + Garoppolo throwing only in 48% of the time + Garoppolo getting more than 50% of his yards by YAC = Super Bowl berth.

If we need all that to make the Super Bowl with Jimmy then we need a new QB badly.

Originally posted by 5Jan2003:
Jimmy Garoppolo 26 Million
Matt Stafford 33 million
Carson Wentz 35 million
Sam Darnold 9 Million
Matt Ryan 41 million
Kirk Cousins 31 million

Justin Fields
Zach Wilson
Trey Lance
Mac Jones

If Darnold is available get him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

If Saleh is going to the Lions next year.. why would he let Stafford go, if he knows his former boss thinks he's good enough to lead the playoff ready 9ers?

Agreed. It's not like they have the 1st pick and Lawrence. They're going to blindly trade Stafford to gamble on Trey Lance? Or wait to the 2nd and pick Mac Jones. Asking him to do a complete overhaul of the team seems like too much to handle.

Saleh might as well just start filing for dc again.

Also I think teams be wary of tanking for season ticket holder purposes. It's going to be a rough couple of years. Trying to sell the public on a 2 win team may not be good for the wallet.

Stafford has been on the Lions since 09' and hasn't sniffed a playoff win with all the coaches they rotated, what makes Saleh all of a sudden with a depleted roster believe now all of a sudden with Stafford they're going to win in a division with teams far advanced than them?

Best thing for them to do is trade him and get as many picks they can and build that roster with the right draft picks. He shouldn't take that job if ownership is in a rush because that's impossible with that roster.

Trade Stafford, draft your qb and have him sit the year. Surround him with talent and fix that d and that's gonna take at least 3 years if they hit on the qb and do a good job of drafting. Having a now 32 year old Stafford and then having to pay him again and hope by the time he's what 35 they'll compete for the playoffs would be ridiculous and I can't see Stafford willing to do that.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Stafford has been on the Lions since 09' and hasn't sniffed a playoff win with all the coaches they rotated, what makes Saleh all of a sudden with a depleted roster believe now all of a sudden with Stafford they're going to win in a division with teams far advanced than them?

Best thing for them to do is trade him and get as many picks they can and build that roster with the right draft picks. He shouldn't take that job if ownership is in a rush because that's impossible with that roster.

Trade Stafford, draft your qb and have him sit the year. Surround him with talent and fix that d and that's gonna take at least 3 years if they hit on the qb and do a good job of drafting. Having a now 32 year old Stafford and then having to pay him again and hope by the time he's what 35 they'll compete for the playoffs would be ridiculous and I can't see Stafford willing to do that.

If Saleh or any coach doesn't think he can win with a guy who statistically has been a top 10 QB why are they even trying to be a coach? How many times has Detroit surrounded Stafford with a good defense? Or a run game? They haven't had a real receiver since Calvin left too. Let's not act like Stafford has been their problem.

You're not getting premiere compensation for a 33 year old. Rebuilding every block just to rebuild sounds like an awful strategy especially when you're really only guaranteed 3 years. But I'm sure the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft has the answers to fix everything and Detroit will spot that gem. And Saleh being the offensive guru that he is will develop him.

There's a big difference between best option and the actual available option.

WITH the 16th overall pick, I say trade down and get extra picks..

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
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Call me a boomer, but I hate this modern millennial BS mentality, especially when you can't finish the deal.

Any football team, ours is no exception.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

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Call me a boomer, but I hate this modern millennial BS mentality, especially when you can't finish the deal.

Any football team, ours is no exception.

Ok boomer

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
With Jimmy we need an elite running game and an elite defense to be able ro win because we have to run more than we pass.

Last year: #2 running game + #2 defense + Garoppolo throwing only in 48% of the time + Garoppolo getting more than 50% of his yards by YAC = Super Bowl berth.

If we need all that to make the Super Bowl with Jimmy then we need a new QB badly.

He also passed for nearly 4,000 yards and 27 TDS but I guess those don't count

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

With Jimmy we need an elite running game and an elite defense to be able ro win because we have to run more than we pass.

Last year: #2 running game + #2 defense + Garoppolo throwing only in 48% of the time + Garoppolo getting more than 50% of his yards by YAC = Super Bowl berth.

If we need all that to make the Super Bowl with Jimmy then we need a new QB badly.

He also passed for nearly 4,000 yards and 27 TDS but I guess those don't count

no, it doesn't. Jimmy is the worst QB ever! Period!