Deshaun Watson

Browns organization is straight up garbage too. Imagine using "triggered" in a professional statement when discussing why people might have a problem with a sexpest on the team. The talk about remorse is absurd, never at any point in this process has Watson shown an ounce of remorse, even the judge said as much in her decision.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Browns organization is straight up garbage too. Imagine using "triggered" in a professional statement when discussing why people might have a problem with a sexpest on the team. The talk about remorse is absurd, never at any point in this process has Watson shown an ounce of remorse, even the judge said as much in her decision.

Statement from the Haslams #Browns pic.twitter.com/Rs2o5xLwrz

— Jake Trotter (@Jake_Trotter) August 1, 2022

They have no problem taking talented players with checkered pasts for sure. Kareem Hunt comes to mind

Cleveland fans should bring their own terrible towels to the game to greet Watson after the suspension

So now we wait to see if the league accept the 6 game suspension or if they appeal.

from what I understand the commissioner can come in and change the suspension to more games.

The Judge rules that Watson did indeed violate the leagues personal conduct policy. So Goodell can slap a season ban if he chooses.

Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
So now we wait to see if the league accept the 6 game suspension or if they appeal.

from what I understand the commissioner can come in and change the suspension to more games.

The Judge rules that Watson did indeed violate the leagues personal conduct policy. So Goodell can slap a season ban if he chooses.

I guess he could.. but then it could be challenge flagged by the NFLPA.. meaning an ongoing battle and Watson drama dominating headlines.. I bet they say it is what it is.. they'll probably spin it to say well we pushed for a larger suspension but it's not up to us type of thing..

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Only in the NFL can you get 6 games for assaulting women.

NFL Player wants you as an Instagram model for a massage. You know what's up from the beginning, lol, but please tell me the key details I am missing in my view because I haven't followed the nonsense very closely. Otherwise, all is fine....

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I hear it's hard for the league to come down hard on Watson (who is a black QB) after owners Robert Kraft, D. Snyder, J. Jones, and all the rest of the owners who got caught got very tiny fines if that.

The outrage on these forums was very lacking in comparison. Not sure why.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
By that logic, lots of things are possible. I look at probability vs possibility. Is it more probable that Watson did these things then some vast conspiracy of women got together and decided to go after him, and only him and not any of the thousands of other athletes in pro sports today?

And a prosecutor will usually only move ahead with a criminal indictment if they feel that they can win and sexual assault cases are among the most difficult to win as they often come down to "he said/she said."

I keep seeing this word, but can someone share what he did that constitutes this term?



I admit this is from a Canadian site but do we rail against Deshaun to feel better about ourselves as men,...or is this a conversation we're really ready to have?

The closest we get is supposed coercion that comes down to he said/she said.

Another good one:

According to Samantha Ketterer of the Houston Chronicle, a Houston-based makeup artist filed the suit, saying the quarterback sexually assaulted and harassed her on two separate occasions in September and November.

On 2 separate occasions? lol. And all of you here are buying all of this?

When someone asks you to do something and they're not your boss or your stepfather or anything, I'm not sure what's hard about saying no. And I'm surely not understanding as to why you schedule a 2nd private meeting (other than enjoyment and $$$$$$).

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I hear it's hard for the league to come down hard on Watson (who is a black QB) after owners Robert Kraft, D. Snyder, J. Jones, and all the rest of the owners who got caught got very tiny fines if that.

The outrage on these forums was very lacking in comparison. Not sure why.

Kraft prob had 1,000+ massages.

66? That's cute.
Robert Kraft

Originally posted by random49er:
NFL Player wants you as an Instagram model for a massage. You know what's up from the beginning, lol, but please tell me the key details I am missing in my view because I haven't followed the nonsense very closely. Otherwise, all is fine....

Over half of these women were professional certified masseuses, these weren't run of the mill Instagram thots or chicks running rub and tug joints.

Originally posted by random49er:

I keep seeing this word, but can someone share what he did that constitutes this term?

Totally normal stuff, this is just one of the allegations, with Watson's response corroborated under deposition.

"During the massage, Watson began to aggressively dictate the massage and complain that she was not doing what he wanted. The plaintiff began to think that Watson only wanted sex.

Watson repeatedly directed her towards his penis. She alleges that he purposely exposed the tip of his now fully erect penis from under the towel. He began moving himself to expose himself more, and eventually turned to touch her hand with his penis.

The plaintiff immediately ended the massage and started to cry. After telling him to leave, Watson said "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine."

Later, Watson reached out to her via text message to apologize. She did not respond."

Text message from one of the women that was brought up by Watson's legal team to support him:

"I told you I stopped working with [Deshaun Watson]. Because I was hearing too much stuff about him messing with other people. . . . He's been doing a lot in the last three or four months. I even told his ass he needed to be careful because his names getting around. I just hope don't nobody call me to question me."

but do we rail against Deshaun to feel better about ourselves as men,...or is this a conversation we're really ready to have?

I've never made a masseuse cry or felt a need to apologize after a massage. I've never had two dozen+ sexual assault claims made against me, nor have any of thousands of pro athletes in the US today. If that's a normal thing in your view, perhaps that's something you need to take a closer look at.

The plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist with eleven years experience who works regularly with athletes. She says that she has never had any issues prior to Watson.

She said he told her "I make a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs."

Watson also kept asking that the massage be really private and asked if anyone else would be around when he arrived at the location.

As soon as the massage started, Watson laid face down on the table completely nude, exposing his buttocks. She insisted that he cover up but he refused. He exposed his penis to her several times.

She said she felt trapped and angry, as she prides herself on her reputation. She says that she became terrified as Watson kept twisting his body to touch her with his penis.

Afterwards, Watson contacted her seven more times to schedule another appointment. She either declined or ignored all of his requests and never worked with him again.

A Los Angeles massage therapist, who has several years of experience working with professional football players and high-profile athletes, also is accusing Watson of sexual misconduct. She has never had a problem with any other client.

According to the lawsuit, Watson sent the woman a direct message on Instagram inquiring about her services in July 2020. The NFL star reached out complaining of back pain and they arranged to meet at a house in Beverly Hills, the lawsuit said.

During the session, the lawsuit alleges Watson brought the therapist to a room and locked the door behind them, prompting her to grab her mace. She claims Watson "chuckled" and the session proceeded seemingly as normal until she returned from the bathroom.

Watson aggressively dictated the massage. He asked her to massage his "glutes", to which she firmly said no. He then flipped over and removed his towel, revealing his erection.

At some point, Watson grabbed her hand and placed it on his erect penis. He also kept trying to direct her hand to his butthole.

The lawsuit claims Watson told the woman not to talk about the appointment, which she considered a threat.

Watson is accused of reaching out to the same woman again in December 2020 about scheduling an appointment in Chicago, but she didn't respond.

Plaintiff has owned and operated her own fitness company for three years.

This massage took place in September 2020 at a Houston salon where the woman rents a room, according to the civil assault lawsuit.

The woman alleges Watson asked if he could be naked and if it was OK if he became aroused, but she told him to cover himself.

Regardless, Watson was soon fully erect. She said he "continued to move his body in a way that would cause his penis to repeatedly touch the plaintiff's hand". The plaintiff was shocked and started avoiding his groin.

Lying on his back, Watson eventually ejaculated. The plaintiff felt disgusted and immediately left the room. Watson dressed himself and left.

The married plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist. Plaintiff has worked on other professional athletes in the past. In late January, Watson reached out to her on Instagram to book an appointment.

Before the appointment, Watson insisted multiple times that the session be "private" and kept asking if anyone else would be around. Watson also asked if he needed to be covered, to which she said absolutely.

During the massage, Watson made several requests for her to massage places she was not comfortable with. She eventually stepped back and made it verbally clear to Watson that this was going to remain professional.

After a few minutes Watson briefly exposed his penis. She tried to tell herself it was just an innocent mistake. Eventually he started making inappropriate requests again. Plaintiff started to freak out, and Watson exposed his erection and placed it on her hand. He told her that felt good and asked her to do it again. She declined.

Watson then told her in a coy tone that "I do not want to make you do anything you do not want to do". Plaintiff ended the massage and Watson left.

Plaintiff owns her own massage therapy business in Georgia. She is a single mother of two children.

Watson reached out to plaintiff over Instagram DM to arrange an appointment in Atlanta. They arranged it for the 4th, but Watson did not message the plaintiff until 9PM that night and she did not feel comfortable. They agreed to do the massage the next day.

Watson asked plaintiff if the suite she had rented for the massage was private. She said yes. He insisted on entering through a back door.

At the start, Watson told her to remove her mask, but she refused due to COVID regulations that required her to wear it while working with a client.

Watson stripped naked and got on the massage table, which made the plaintiff uncomfortable so she covered him with a sheet. Eventually he told her to remove the sheet and "get into his glutes". Plaintiff told Watson that he was not to lay on her table naked.

Eventually, while still working on his glutes, Watson told her to "go deeper" and oil his buttocks. She was uncomfortable but felt she could not afford to upset Watson so she complied. Watson then flipped over and asked her to massage his testicles. She declined, but Watson removed the sheet anyway and exposed his penis to her. He then put his penis on her hand as she tried to cover him, which shocked her and made her recoil.

Watson realized that the plaintiff was not going to do what he wanted, so he paid her and left.

Boys will be boys, right?

Originally posted by random49er:
The outrage on these forums was very lacking in comparison. Not sure why.

There's a whole thread of people s**tting on Snyder and hoping he gets removed as an NFL owner. And nobody gives a crap about Kraft going to a rub and tug joint. If that's all Watson did, instead of contacting legitimate masseuses and trying to turn standard massages into something sexual, which he apparently has some kind of f**ked up fetish about, then I don't think anyone would care either.

If you want to go pay a high end escort and everything is on the up and up as far as expectations, have a blast. Its a whole other story when you're pulling your dick out in the middle of a regular massage and trying to turn it into something sexual without the consent of the other person.

Yea he point about Dan synder is legit. folks weren't really that up and arms about that s**t. Barely made the news then the NFL threw Gruden under the bus to hush that s**t up. They basically pimped out there cheerleaders. i don't think the league will appeal the Watson ruling. they just changed the rule b/c folks were b***hing about Roger's heavy hand. So I can't see them appealing the very first ruling that doesn't go the NFL's way. Plus it will only be for show b/c we all know the NFL doesn't care.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I hear it's hard for the league to come down hard on Watson (who is a black QB) after owners Robert Kraft, D. Snyder, J. Jones, and all the rest of the owners who got caught got very tiny fines if that.

The outrage on these forums was very lacking in comparison. Not sure why.

No matter your ethnic background, double and triple standards, and general unfairness abound in our society. Unfairness in that these a*****es (owners, coaches, players, or rich folk in general) who engage in sketchy activities, generally get away with a slap on the wrist for their transgressions as opposed to the peasants who would never get away this s**t if caught. Typically, but not always, it's the rich who get away with stuff and the poor who don't. Every now and then, just to keep up appearances or to save themselves, TPTB throw violators to the wolves, but more often these folks would escape real punishment.

Thanks for the 411 because I have been mostly out of it.

I'll readily admit he's a creep but just thinking about the high-level jocks I've known in my life,...all 32 teams would have problems completing rosters if we were to truly get rid of all the creeps. That's just the reality of things.

Let's not pretend like Deshaun's one of the only ones.

He's missed a year of football career-wise (not talking money). That and an extra 6 games due to stuff like this sounds pretty damn fair to me.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I hear it's hard for the league to come down hard on Watson (who is a black QB) after owners Robert Kraft, D. Snyder, J. Jones, and all the rest of the owners who got caught got very tiny fines if that.

The outrage on these forums was very lacking in comparison. Not sure why.

If not mistaken non of them was ever accused of anything and certainly didnt have 20+ women involved. Snyder sounds like a scum bag and his days of being an owner are numbered as the NFL builds its case.

But i guess you feel its ok to just whip "it" out 20+ times because they are instagram models and they should know whats coming? Good to know.,