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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by FL9er:
The Browns had to know that this year was probably a throw away year. Very risky contract. Kinda convenient his 1st game is against the Texans.

Yeah, the Browns knew. It's why they structured the 1st year of his contract the wat they did. They suspected that he might be suspended the first year, so the first year of his contract is only $1 million, which really pissed the owners off.

But my question, again, to many calling Watson a "predator" is: if he is indeed a sexual predator, why did TWO grand juries decline to indict him? Grand juries are prosecutors' home turf. We've seen prosecutors use grand juries in some of the most despicable ways, for example, to obfuscate prosecuting obviously guilty law enforcement officers. ("Watch out Batman, it's a trap!"). Grand juries only see only what prosecutors want them to see. If it's true that "prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich", and with SO many women coming forward with allegations of sexual illegalities committed by Watson, how could a prosecutor NOT be able to convince TWO separate grand juries to return a bill of indictment against [trigger warning] a BLACK MAN accused of "me too", "cancel culture"-ready allegations where white women are involved? How could this be? Surely not ALL 20+ women are lying, right? We are living in a time where many men are serving long prison sentences on the sole word of a woman. After all, this is the "me too", "believe all women", "cancel" culture we're living in. What is it about this case, these allegations, that made it so difficult for Watson to not be held criminally accountable? Why didn't "me too", "believe all women", NOT work in court in this case? Why?!?!?

Simple. No video. No solid proof. Just stories. The women they talked to had similar stories. He saw 66 different women. 25 had complaints. None of them reported him at the time they claimed he assaulted them. That's weird. Pretty easy for the same lawyer to coach the women on their stories to earn a payout.

What I want to know is if he asked all 66 for a happy ending or just the 25?
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Yeah, the Browns knew. It's why they structured the 1st year of his contract the wat they did. They suspected that he might be suspended the first year, so the first year of his contract is only $1 million, which really pissed the owners off.

But my question, again, to many calling Watson a "predator" is: if he is indeed a sexual predator, why did TWO grand juries decline to indict him? Grand juries are prosecutors' home turf. We've seen prosecutors use grand juries in some of the most despicable ways, for example, to obfuscate prosecuting obviously guilty law enforcement officers. ("Watch out Batman, it's a trap!"). Grand juries only see only what prosecutors want them to see. If it's true that "prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich", and with SO many women coming forward with allegations of sexual illegalities committed by Watson, how could a prosecutor NOT be able to convince TWO separate grand juries to return a bill of indictment against [trigger warning] a BLACK MAN accused of "me too", "cancel culture"-ready allegations where white women are involved? How could this be? Surely not ALL 20+ women are lying, right? We are living in a time where many men are serving long prison sentences on the sole word of a woman. After all, this is the "me too", "believe all women", "cancel" culture we're living in. What is it about this case, these allegations, that made it so difficult for Watson to not be held criminally accountable? Why didn't "me too", "believe all women", NOT work in court in this case? Why?!?!?

I said this in another thread, but was corrected. Apparently the Browns structure a lot of their extensions this way.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by FL9er:
The Browns had to know that this year was probably a throw away year. Very risky contract. Kinda convenient his 1st game is against the Texans.

Yeah, the Browns knew. It's why they structured the 1st year of his contract the wat they did. They suspected that he might be suspended the first year, so the first year of his contract is only $1 million, which really pissed the owners off.

But my question, again, to many calling Watson a "predator" is: if he is indeed a sexual predator, why did TWO grand juries decline to indict him? Grand juries are prosecutors' home turf. We've seen prosecutors use grand juries in some of the most despicable ways, for example, to obfuscate prosecuting obviously guilty law enforcement officers. ("Watch out Batman, it's a trap!"). Grand juries only see only what prosecutors want them to see. If it's true that "prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich", and with SO many women coming forward with allegations of sexual illegalities committed by Watson, how could a prosecutor NOT be able to convince TWO separate grand juries to return a bill of indictment against [trigger warning] a BLACK MAN accused of "me too", "cancel culture"-ready allegations where white women are involved? How could this be? Surely not ALL 20+ women are lying, right? We are living in a time where many men are serving long prison sentences on the sole word of a woman. After all, this is the "me too", "believe all women", "cancel" culture we're living in. What is it about this case, these allegations, that made it so difficult for Watson to not be held criminally accountable? Why didn't "me too", "believe all women", NOT work in court in this case? Why?!?!?

Simple. No video. No solid proof. Just stories. The women they talked to had similar stories. He saw 66 different women. 25 had complaints. None of them reported him at the time they claimed he assaulted them. That's weird. Pretty easy for the same lawyer to coach the women on their stories to earn a payout.

What I want to know is if he asked all 66 for a happy ending or just the 25?

From Sue L Robinson the judge who got all the information from the investigation.

MY FINDINGS

The NFL alleges that Deshaun Watson violated three provision of the Policy by engaging in: (1) sexual assault; (2) conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person; and (3) conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL. I will address each allegation in turn.

I, therefore, find that the NFL has carried its burden to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Mr. Watson engaged in sexual assault (as defined by the NFL) against the four therapists identified in the Report 29 Mr. Watson violated the Policy in this regard.

but as you said it's not what you know it's what you can prove and that's why he wasn't indicted.
[ Edited by Hysterikal on Aug 19, 2022 at 10:56 AM ]
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by FL9er:
The Browns had to know that this year was probably a throw away year. Very risky contract. Kinda convenient his 1st game is against the Texans.

Yeah, the Browns knew. It's why they structured the 1st year of his contract the wat they did. They suspected that he might be suspended the first year, so the first year of his contract is only $1 million, which really pissed the owners off.

But my question, again, to many calling Watson a "predator" is: if he is indeed a sexual predator, why did TWO grand juries decline to indict him? Grand juries are prosecutors' home turf. We've seen prosecutors use grand juries in some of the most despicable ways, for example, to obfuscate prosecuting obviously guilty law enforcement officers. ("Watch out Batman, it's a trap!"). Grand juries only see only what prosecutors want them to see. If it's true that "prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich", and with SO many women coming forward with allegations of sexual illegalities committed by Watson, how could a prosecutor NOT be able to convince TWO separate grand juries to return a bill of indictment against [trigger warning] a BLACK MAN accused of "me too", "cancel culture"-ready allegations where white women are involved? How could this be? Surely not ALL 20+ women are lying, right? We are living in a time where many men are serving long prison sentences on the sole word of a woman. After all, this is the "me too", "believe all women", "cancel" culture we're living in. What is it about this case, these allegations, that made it so difficult for Watson to not be held criminally accountable? Why didn't "me too", "believe all women", NOT work in court in this case? Why?!?!?

Simple. No video. No solid proof. Just stories. The women they talked to had similar stories. He saw 66 different women. 25 had complaints. None of them reported him at the time they claimed he assaulted them. That's weird. Pretty easy for the same lawyer to coach the women on their stories to earn a payout.

What I want to know is if he asked all 66 for a happy ending or just the 25?

From Sue L Robinson the judge who got all the information from the investigation.

MY FINDINGS

The NFL alleges that Deshaun Watson violated three provision of the Policy by engaging in: (1) sexual assault; (2) conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person; and (3) conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL. I will address each allegation in turn.

but as you said it's not what you know it's what you can prove and that's why he wasn't indicted.

Yeah she classified it as non violent sexual assault. So he asked for the sexual favors at massage parlors. With no evidence of violence or proof that all the stories were truthful. There's two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Was he in the wrong? Yes. Did he do everything they said. Prob not.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Yeah she classified it as non violent sexual assault. So he asked for the sexual favors at massage parlors. With no evidence of violence or proof that all the stories were truthful. There's two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Was he in the wrong? Yes. Did he do everything they said. Prob not.

If it was one or two people I'd give him the benefit of doubt. But 24. No way. Watson has a problem and he won't admit it. I keep asking what he was doing visiting massage parlors in the first place. If he really needed a massage he could go to the trainer.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by SoCold:
Yeah she classified it as non violent sexual assault. So he asked for the sexual favors at massage parlors. With no evidence of violence or proof that all the stories were truthful. There's two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Was he in the wrong? Yes. Did he do everything they said. Prob not.

If it was one or two people I'd give him the benefit of doubt. But 24. No way. Watson has a problem and he won't admit it. I keep asking what he was doing visiting massage parlors in the first place. If he really needed a massage he could go to the trainer.

Oh he def has a prob going to 66 women in 17 months. I'd also bet $1 some of those stories were made up so they could get a chunk of that settlement $$.

I'm sure he gets off on the thrill of getting a Big Mac with extra sauce at a steak house. I'm sure some places said ewe no sorry we don't serve that, get out! But I bet a few were like for the right price we'll make you one.
There's still one more accuser who hasn't settled their civil lawsuit against him. So what if she continues to pursue the case and ends up winning somehow? Don't know if that would affect the NFL's already settled appeal of 11 games + fine. If she managed to get him on trial and won that could possibly incur another totally separate punishment by the league.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by FL9er:
The Browns had to know that this year was probably a throw away year. Very risky contract. Kinda convenient his 1st game is against the Texans.

Yeah, the Browns knew. It's why they structured the 1st year of his contract the wat they did. They suspected that he might be suspended the first year, so the first year of his contract is only $1 million, which really pissed the owners off.

But my question, again, to many calling Watson a "predator" is: if he is indeed a sexual predator, why did TWO grand juries decline to indict him? Grand juries are prosecutors' home turf. We've seen prosecutors use grand juries in some of the most despicable ways, for example, to obfuscate prosecuting obviously guilty law enforcement officers. ("Watch out Batman, it's a trap!"). Grand juries only see only what prosecutors want them to see. If it's true that "prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich", and with SO many women coming forward with allegations of sexual illegalities committed by Watson, how could a prosecutor NOT be able to convince TWO separate grand juries to return a bill of indictment against [trigger warning] a BLACK MAN accused of "me too", "cancel culture"-ready allegations where white women are involved? How could this be? Surely not ALL 20+ women are lying, right? We are living in a time where many men are serving long prison sentences on the sole word of a woman. After all, this is the "me too", "believe all women", "cancel" culture we're living in. What is it about this case, these allegations, that made it so difficult for Watson to not be held criminally accountable? Why didn't "me too", "believe all women", NOT work in court in this case? Why?!?!?

Simple. No video. No solid proof. Just stories. The women they talked to had similar stories. He saw 66 different women. 25 had complaints. None of them reported him at the time they claimed he assaulted them. That's weird. Pretty easy for the same lawyer to coach the women on their stories to earn a payout.

What I want to know is if he asked all 66 for a happy ending or just the 25?

Obviously, the courts (in THIS case) is operating on provable facts. The NFL is operating on "me too" and "believe all women". On the face of it the NFL accepted the 11 games. But in reality they didn't want any part of this getting to court. The details of this case is really bad, not necessarily for Watson, but for the NFL and this "cancel culture", "me too" and "believe all women" reality we're forced to live in. The investigating officer particularly looks horrible. There's a reason why she wasn't called to testify to the 2nd grand jury. It's quite clear that she was operating with the battery in her back placed there by "me too" and "believe all women". From the outset Watson's guilt was a fact in the mind of the investigating officer. According to her own testimony, she believed Watson committed criminal indecent assault and sexual assault before an investigation even took place, based solely on these women's word alone. She presumed Watson to be criminally guilty from the outset ("believe all women").

"Two of them we considered sexual assault because of the way the statute is written that speaks specifically to coercion and we felt that there was enough to insinuate that power and influence was in the room and it was coercive," Baker testified. "And when power and influence is in the room, consent cannot be."

"I start by believing all the victims," Baker replied. "Absolutely. Stand by that 100 percent. Anyone investigating a sex crime should start by believing the complainant. Provided defense provides something that refutes it, we're going to believe that complainant."

That's an incredible position to take for a law enforcement officer, even more incredible is that she openly admitted it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/
[Must-read article.]

If many would have gotten their wish, had Watson been suspended the whole season, triggering the NFL PA to sue in federal court, this whole "me too" and "believe all women" culture would have been on trial, and rightfully so. But one of the more troubling things about this case is how people are throwing the word "predator" around in relation to Watson. There's no evidence whatsoever that he preyed on these women. This looks like that Watson got sex from a bunch of women, many likely for money, but consensual, and some of those women just got opportunistic. I suspect that the prosecutor (who had considerably more evidence than the lead detective, as she herself admitted) sniffed this out and wanted no part of a criminal trial. So putting it in the hands of a grand jury washes the prosecutor's hands of it.

This would have been a real mess had the NFL suspended Watson for the whole year. Part of me wishes that they had, though, because "me too" and "believe all women" needs to be put on trial for all the world to see. Men have lost careers, reputations damaged, even gone to jail, based solely on the word of a women. men like myself have resorted to taking the Mike Pence rule to a whole different level. I won't even ride an elevator alone with a women I don't know. At some point this reality has to be indicted and put on trial. If Watson is guilty of anything it's stupidity. And last I looked there's no criminal code for stupidity.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Obviously, the courts (in THIS case) is operating on provable facts. The NFL is operating on "me too" and "believe all women". On the face of it the NFL accepted the 11 games. But in reality they didn't want any part of this getting to court. The details of this case is really bad, not necessarily for Watson, but for the NFL and this "cancel culture", "me too" and "believe all women" reality we're forced to live in. The investigating officer particularly looks horrible. There's a reason why she wasn't called to testify to the 2nd grand jury. It's quite clear that she was operating with the battery in her back placed there by "me too" and "believe all women". From the outset Watson's guilt was a fact in the mind of the investigating officer. According to her own testimony, she believed Watson committed criminal indecent assault and sexual assault before an investigation even took place, based solely on these women's word alone. She presumed Watson to be criminally guilty from the outset ("believe all women").

"Two of them we considered sexual assault because of the way the statute is written that speaks specifically to coercion and we felt that there was enough to insinuate that power and influence was in the room and it was coercive," Baker testified. "And when power and influence is in the room, consent cannot be."

"I start by believing all the victims," Baker replied. "Absolutely. Stand by that 100 percent. Anyone investigating a sex crime should start by believing the complainant. Provided defense provides something that refutes it, we're going to believe that complainant."

That's an incredible position to take for a law enforcement officer, even more incredible is that she openly admitted it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/
[Must-read article.]

If many would have gotten their wish, had Watson been suspended the whole season, triggering the NFL PA to sue in federal court, this whole "me too" and "believe all women" culture would have been on trial, and rightfully so. But one of the more troubling things about this case is how people are throwing the word "predator" around in relation to Watson. There's no evidence whatsoever that he preyed on these women. This looks like that Watson got sex from a bunch of women, many likely for money, but consensual, and some of those women just got opportunistic. I suspect that the prosecutor (who had considerably more evidence than the lead detective, as she herself admitted) sniffed this out and wanted no part of a criminal trial. So putting it in the hands of a grand jury washes the prosecutor's hands of it.

This would have been a real mess had the NFL suspended Watson for the whole year. Part of me wishes that they had, though, because "me too" and "believe all women" needs to be put on trial for all the world to see. Men have lost careers, reputations damaged, even gone to jail, based solely on the word of a women. men like myself have resorted to taking the Mike Pence rule to a whole different level. I won't even ride an elevator alone with a women I don't know. At some point this reality has to be indicted and put on trial. If Watson is guilty of anything it's stupidity. And last I looked there's no criminal code for stupidity.

Exactly right, I only wanted a whole year suspension so they were almost forced to trade for Jimmy. 11 games just doesn't warrant a trade especially when they can get him for nothing in a couple weeks when he is released.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His apology didn't sound very sincere to me. He basically said what he had to and that's it.

Because it wasn't. He and the Browns owners gave the worst possible press conference yesterday. They would have been far better off just saying nothing at all.


He clearly doesn't see anything wrong with what he did and said only what he needed to in order to get the NFL to agree to a settlement. I'm expecting that we'll be hearing about him f**king up again sooner or later because people with these kinds of issues don't all of a sudden stop and go cold turkey.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If it was one or two people I'd give him the benefit of doubt. But 24. No way. Watson has a problem and he won't admit it. I keep asking what he was doing visiting massage parlors in the first place. If he really needed a massage he could go to the trainer.

That he lied about everything didn't help his case at all, like claiming that he never made anyone uncomfortable even though he admitted to apologizing to Solis repeatedly via text for "something" that happened during a massage, even confirming that she wound up in tears.

Or lying that he had ever gotten an erection at any point during a massage when even the women that his lawyers brought in as character witnesses all said that the dude was constantly popping wood during massages. Its one major reason why the judge ruled against him, finding that he had been dishonest in his deposition testimony.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His apology didn't sound very sincere to me. He basically said what he had to and that's it.

Because it wasn't. He and the Browns owners gave the worst possible press conference yesterday. They would have been far better off just saying nothing at all.


He clearly doesn't see anything wrong with what he did and said only what he needed to in order to get the NFL to agree to a settlement. I'm expecting that we'll be hearing about him f**king up again sooner or later because people with these kinds of issues don't all of a sudden stop and go cold turkey.

If I were being accused of something I know I didn't do an insincere "apology" is about all people would get, if I gave one at all.
It is football season again and I'm forced to listen to some Browns fans. They believe the NFL is conspiring against them at every turn and have historically excused every filthy play and player on the team. When even these blinkered morons are saying that they think the 11 games is harsh but acceptable and getting all philosophical about how the strong ownership, city and team culture will allow him to put his demons behind him, you know how bad it is.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That he lied about everything didn't help his case at all, like claiming that he never made anyone uncomfortable even though he admitted to apologizing to Solis repeatedly via text for "something" that happened during a massage, even confirming that she wound up in tears.

Or lying that he had ever gotten an erection at any point during a massage when even the women that his lawyers brought in as character witnesses all said that the dude was constantly popping wood during massages. Its one major reason why the judge ruled against him, finding that he had been dishonest in his deposition testimony.

I'd like to hear 9ersLifer rebuttal to this?

It's ok to admit he did wrong and is in fact not innocent. I guess O.J. Simpson was also "innocent" bc they found him "not guilty"
[ Edited by elguapo on Aug 20, 2022 at 12:51 AM ]
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That he lied about everything didn't help his case at all, like claiming that he never made anyone uncomfortable even though he admitted to apologizing to Solis repeatedly via text for "something" that happened during a massage, even confirming that she wound up in tears.

Or lying that he had ever gotten an erection at any point during a massage when even the women that his lawyers brought in as character witnesses all said that the dude was constantly popping wood during massages. Its one major reason why the judge ruled against him, finding that he had been dishonest in his deposition testimony.

I'd like to hear 9ersLifer rebuttal to this?

It's ok to admit he did wrong and is in fact not innocent. I guess O.J. Simpson was also "innocent" bc they found him "not guilty"

Dude really hates women, that much is obvious.
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