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Originally posted by NinerG94:
I'm not hand waving any of Brady's accomplishments but for people to act as if Brady would have those same accomplishments had he played when Montana played is a joke. He's a statue. Brady has had the luxury of playing during an era where all the rukes are skewed toward the offense. You can't touch the QB. Montana took some absolute beatings and was far superior to Brady athletically. Defensive backs were allowed to put their hands on receivers and make them pay for going over the middle. I promise you Julian Edelman would not have been allowed to run 40 shallow crossing routes over the middle in 1989. He would've had hisnhead taken off.

Brady is the best quarterback of the past 25 years but beyond that it's not a comparison that can be made. Today's game is nothing like it was when Montana played. Not even close.
Yes, there were differences in the eras. No doubt about it.

But it goes both ways. Montana played pre-salary cap, and the 49ers were one of the teams that exploited and took advantage of that. They routinely had some of the most loaded teams in the league.

Montana played under one of the most brilliant offense minds in football history, and played in a system that was incredibly innovative at the time.

All of Brady's contemporaries are playing under these same rules. And all of Montana's opponents were getting the crap beat out of them, too.

I agree that comparisons like "look at Brady's passer rating compared to Montana's passer rating" are lopsided, obviously they are going to be tilted towards Brady. But stuff like winning percent is era-agnostic.
[ Edited by theduke85 on Jan 26, 2021 at 5:32 AM ]
Originally posted by theduke85:
Yes, there were differences in the eras. No doubt about it.

But it goes both ways. Montana played pre-salary cap, and the 49ers were one of the teams that exploited and took advantage of that. They routinely had some of the most loaded teams in the league.

Montana played under one of the most brilliant offense minds in football history, and played in a system that was incredibly innovative at the time.

All of Brady's contemporaries are playing under these same rules. And all of Montana's opponents were getting the crap beat out of them, too.

I agree that comparisons like "look at Brady's passer rating compared to Montana's passer rating" are lopsided, obviously they are going to be tilted towards Brady. But stuff like winning percent is era-agnostic.

Not being able to be hit trumps all of that. That combined with the rules against any kind of DB contact has skewed things so much it's a different game.

My point with Russell is at no point should rings be the deciding factor of greatness. Championships are a team accomplishment. If Marshawn Lynch gets the ball on the 1 Patriots lose. If Atlanta gets one more first down Patriots lose. If Dee Ford stays onside Patriots don't even make the last SB they won. Then he's sitting at 3 SB's still with 5 losses. Is he still the GOAT when all those things had nothing to do with him or what he did?
Originally posted by theduke85:
Yes, there were differences in the eras. No doubt about it.

But it goes both ways. Montana played pre-salary cap, and the 49ers were one of the teams that exploited and took advantage of that. They routinely had some of the most loaded teams in the league.

Montana played under one of the most brilliant offense minds in football history, and played in a system that was incredibly innovative at the time.

All of Brady's contemporaries are playing under these same rules. And all of Montana's opponents were getting the crap beat out of them, too.

I agree that comparisons like "look at Brady's passer rating compared to Montana's passer rating" are lopsided, obviously they are going to be tilted towards Brady. But stuff like winning percent is era-agnostic.

....and yet, even with all of the advantages that Brady has passing in his era - especially post 2003 - Montana's playoff passer rating is better than Brady's.
This is almost as bad as when it was Seahawks vs Patriots. Can they tie? Lol
Outside of the Rams and Seahawks these were the last two teams I wanted to see make it
Originally posted by Howlett49:
This is almost as bad as when it was Seahawks vs Patriots. Can they tie? Lol

You think so? Andy Reid is legit and I don't mind him having more success. He's WCO coach.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Howlett49:
This is almost as bad as when it was Seahawks vs Patriots. Can they tie? Lol

You think so? Andy Reid is legit and I don't mind him having more success. He's WCO coach.

Yeah that sounds great now but they're the new Patriots. How long before you get tired of more Andy Reid success and Mahomes with like 5 Super Bowl rings?
Originally posted by Howlett49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Howlett49:
This is almost as bad as when it was Seahawks vs Patriots. Can they tie? Lol

You think so? Andy Reid is legit and I don't mind him having more success. He's WCO coach.

Yeah that sounds great now but they're the new Patriots. How long before you get tired of more Andy Reid success and Mahomes with like 5 Super Bowl rings?

As long as Kyle is our HC, I'm fine because there will be battles.
[ Edited by Joecool on Jan 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM ]
Can they cancel it ? or what would happen if all the Refs had to go into Covid-19 Protocol?
Originally posted by sanjo49er:
Can they cancel it ? or what would happen if all the Refs had to go into Covid-19 Protocol?

Maybe Michael Lander and Dahlia Iyad will show up with a bomb-loaded Goodyear Blimp?
I've been on the Mahomes bandwagon since the spring before he was drafted (ugh... heartbroken in 2017 when they passed on him... for Thomas; heartbroken in 2019 when they passed on Metcalf too — even though I love Debo — but nothing hurt like passing on Mahomes).


BUT... Brady grew up a 49er fan, and that swings it for me.




Of course I'm confident Kansas City will win comfortably.
Since I hate both teams I am hoping one of them gets embarrassed badly. And The Chiefs are too good for it to be them, So I guess I am rooting for the Chiefs. I hope Brady throws for 150 yards with 3 picks and 0 TD passes and Chiefs win by 40. If that happens, I wonder if brady gets the same treatment Jimmy got.
The Bucs are the 2019 49ers


Good pass rush (not as good)
Better LBs
Equal secondary

Way better qb and weapons on offense. I do like arians commitment to the run.

Bucs have a chance in this game if they do what the 49ers should have done and that's run the football.
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Originally posted by rathman4481:
The Bucs are the 2019 49ers


Good pass rush (not as good)
Better LBs
Equal secondary

Way better qb and weapons on offense. I do like arians commitment to the run.

Bucs have a chance in this game if they do what the 49ers should have done and that's run the football.

damn straight on the last part too
Bucs aren't beating the chiefs so ....
[ Edited by TonyStarks on Jan 31, 2021 at 2:27 AM ]
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