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Sounds good. He likes to blitz, but we don't blitz much (or at least didn't).

This feels like a good expansion/contrast on the philosophy of the current system. Should only help Ryan's scheme development etc.
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Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by Heroism:
More aggressiveness up front likely means more man coverage in the back, which circles back to thl's comment that we may see DeMeco revamp the 49ers' CB profile with guys that can play man coverage.

CB will be in play at 12 if this is the case. Also, this makes Verrett a priority FA as he's a rare talent that shines in man and zone.

This. It's an interesting hire because philosophically Bettcher is different from what we've done under Saleh. His hire is a clear indication there are some more tweaks coming to the defensive scheme.

I imagine some more aggressiveness on blitzes. You hit it on the head though. I'm interested in what we do with our corners now. Bettcher believes much more in man coverage than Saleh did and if that is to become something we use more under Ryans then resigning Verett is that much more important now. Man coverage corners are not cheap and ones that excel are tough to find hence why they cost a premium. So I agree it makes that number 12 pick a little more interesting now.

More zone blitz? If so it's not something new, but actually something Seifert came up with to stop Walsh's offense in practice.

But yeah, I've always been a believer in more man coverage and pass rush, and less run defense and zone drops for linebackers. I like the emphasis on more blitzing and pass defense. Ironically that means you bolster your D-Line and D-Backs and less linebacker talent.
Originally posted by Giedi:
More zone blitz? If so it's not something new, but actually something Seifert came up with to stop Walsh's offense in practice.

But yeah, I've always been a believer in more man coverage and pass rush, and less run defense and zone drops for linebackers. I like the emphasis on more blitzing and pass defense. Ironically that means you bolster your D-Line and D-Backs and less linebacker talent.

I agree. It increases the chances of getting burned but it also ups the chances of sacking the QB or forcing a turnover. The Bears took it to the extreme under Buddy Ryan. They didn't give you much of a chance but it did expose them to the occasional big play.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
This is a super smart move by Kyle, I imagine it's his hire because he's HC so he hires all the other coaches. Give Ryans a great sounding board with a guy who's already been DC and pretty darn good at it.

There was a new blitz wrinkle added for Fred Warner last game against Seattle, where if he was the free LB, instead of dropping into coverage, he'd blitz. He got 6 pressures by himself and Wilson was mostly contained. They're also looking at Carl Lawson as a pass rush coach.

I think Kyle wants to bring the heat (esp. in the A gaps).given he's seen first hand what it does to our own QB's and how it helped neutralize Wilson and Murray late in the season.

Just another layer of evolution for Kyle and HIS defense.

I thought it was Daryll Tapp?
Why did they just hand him the job? Did they even do a search? He just got into coaching and is going to jump from "Inside Linebacker coach" to DC of a team that wants to win the super bowl?

I could understand if we were being coached by a defensive minded coach that would control the defense anyway, but we're not.

Are the 49ers brass really that impressed with him or is this a "punt" until better candidates are available?

There are some big names available: Wade Phillips, Jack Del Rio....
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
This is a super smart move by Kyle, I imagine it's his hire because he's HC so he hires all the other coaches. Give Ryans a great sounding board with a guy who's already been DC and pretty darn good at it.

There was a new blitz wrinkle added for Fred Warner last game against Seattle, where if he was the free LB, instead of dropping into coverage, he'd blitz. He got 6 pressures by himself and Wilson was mostly contained. They're also looking at Carl Lawson as a pass rush coach.

I think Kyle wants to bring the heat (esp. in the A gaps).given he's seen first hand what it does to our own QB's and how it helped neutralize Wilson and Murray late in the season.

Just another layer of evolution for Kyle and HIS defense.

I thought it was Daryll Tapp?

LOL, that's what I meant. TY
The niners have a history of what seem like hasty promotions: Singletary, Tomsula....
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Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
The niners have a history of what seem like hasty promotions: Singletary, Tomsula....

Saleh was a LBer coach nobody had really even heard of a few years ago. Now the league has heart eyes for him. Shanny has proven to this point he has a pretty good eye for coaching talent imo.
Originally posted by Antix:
Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
The niners have a history of what seem like hasty promotions: Singletary, Tomsula....

Saleh was a LBer coach nobody had really even heard of a few years ago. Now the league has heart eyes for him. Shanny has proven to this point he has a pretty good eye for coaching talent imo.

This. Also, George Seifert falls into that "history" too. First getting the DC job, then getting the HC job.
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Originally posted by Antix:
Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
The niners have a history of what seem like hasty promotions: Singletary, Tomsula....

Saleh was a LBer coach nobody had really even heard of a few years ago. Now the league has heart eyes for him. Shanny has proven to this point he has a pretty good eye for coaching talent imo.

Agree. Chris Kiffen was just a pass rush specialist here, but he's DLine coach for the Browns now and they did ok this year.

Originally posted by Giedi:
More zone blitz? If so it's not something new, but actually something Seifert came up with to stop Walsh's offense in practice.

But yeah, I've always been a believer in more man coverage and pass rush, and less run defense and zone drops for linebackers. I like the emphasis on more blitzing and pass defense. Ironically that means you bolster your D-Line and D-Backs and less linebacker talent.

No Bettcher typically runs more multiple alignments and more man coverage than what we're accustomed to. That's what I was referring to.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
This is a super smart move by Kyle, I imagine it's his hire because he's HC so he hires all the other coaches. Give Ryans a great sounding board with a guy who's already been DC and pretty darn good at it.

There was a new blitz wrinkle added for Fred Warner last game against Seattle, where if he was the free LB, instead of dropping into coverage, he'd blitz. He got 6 pressures by himself and Wilson was mostly contained. They're also looking at Carl Lawson as a pass rush coach.

I think Kyle wants to bring the heat (esp. in the A gaps).given he's seen first hand what it does to our own QB's and how it helped neutralize Wilson and Murray late in the season.

Just another layer of evolution for Kyle and HIS defense.

I am all for bringing more pressure going forward with this defense. Excited with the hires so far & also others being talked about to be added to staff. Makes me think we will be evolving this defense even more going forward
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Bettcher....good hire

IDK, he's getting lambasted on Twitter repeatedly by Giants Fans.
Most agreed that:
  • his system was too complicated
  • played guys out of postion
  • he's wasn't a good DC
  • but is a decent coach

If true, I guess it's good he's only here to assist DeMeco
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Giedi:
More zone blitz? If so it's not something new, but actually something Seifert came up with to stop Walsh's offense in practice.

But yeah, I've always been a believer in more man coverage and pass rush, and less run defense and zone drops for linebackers. I like the emphasis on more blitzing and pass defense. Ironically that means you bolster your D-Line and D-Backs and less linebacker talent.

I agree. It increases the chances of getting burned but it also ups the chances of sacking the QB or forcing a turnover. The Bears took it to the extreme under Buddy Ryan. They didn't give you much of a chance but it did expose them to the occasional big play.

Buddy's defenses were overloaded with talent. The '85 bears is an example, but I think too unbalanced as you said. His defenses were exploitable. 3-3-6 nickel defenses, theoretically, should stop any 3rd and 15 conversions in big games simply because its more a pass defense than a run defense.

Key is getting good pressure with good pass rushers **and** good coverage on the back end. Saleh's defenses were good on the DLine and LB, not so good on the DB side. Walsh's defenses had two good DB's and a pass rusher, and journeymen linebackers.
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Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by Giedi:
More zone blitz? If so it's not something new, but actually something Seifert came up with to stop Walsh's offense in practice.

But yeah, I've always been a believer in more man coverage and pass rush, and less run defense and zone drops for linebackers. I like the emphasis on more blitzing and pass defense. Ironically that means you bolster your D-Line and D-Backs and less linebacker talent.

No Bettcher typically runs more multiple alignments and more man coverage than what we're accustomed to. That's what I was referring to.

I can see the wide 9 and multiple alignments to stop scrambling QB's by equalizing the man-down math on defense by more blitzing, thats for sure. I'm all for more man and more heat on the QB or even a run blitz from a pass defense alignment if it's to contain or trap a scrambling QB.
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