DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
hopefully it goes like this, Demeco stays another year after this year, while Vic officially comes into 49ers role, then takes over after demeco leaves after his 3rd year with us and us going back to back lombardis

I love fangio but I can't forgive him for the massive s**t the defense took in the superbowl. Who the f**k allows Joe Flacco to do that?

I'm torn on Fangio. Everywhere he goes his defenses are top 5-10. However, Shanahan's running philosophy may have a factor in the success of his defense due to time of possession. I'm fifty fifty on Fangio versus another minority d coordinator to extract more thirds if he's promoted.

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:
I'm torn on Fangio. Everywhere he goes his defenses are top 5-10. However, Shanahan's running philosophy may have a factor in the success of his defense due to time of possession. I'm fifty fifty on Fangio versus another minority d coordinator to extract more thirds if he's promoted.

Possibly the dumbest reason ever to hire a coach.

One trend we had last year was whenever we'd get up 2 scores (usually 10 points), the defense would seem to relax and instantly give up a TD and then it was a dog fight to the finish.

With a different QB and potentially different style of offense and play callers that might focus more on setting up explosives with less TOP, could the defense drop off some from a focus-mental standpoint?

Any concerns about that?

Originally posted by NCommand:
One trend we had last year was whenever we'd get up 2 scores (usually 10 points), the defense would seem to relax and instantly give up a TD and then it was a dog fight to the finish.

With a different QB and potentially different style of offense and play callers that might focus more on setting up explosives with less TOP, could the defense drop off some from a focus-mental standpoint?

Any concerns about that?

There are a lot of factors into winning games, but the one that most concerns me is the four minute offense. Kyle's four minute offense has failed in the critical periods of the 4th quarter in important playoff games. Having a bigger back, bigger OLines, and a more power type offense does give me confidence he's addressing the lack of put away power the fourth quarter 49er run game had over the last couple of years.

Yes he's had lightning Rb's that can do explosives, but smallish RB's that go down on the first arm tackle - that are heading into the teeth of an 8 man front intent on stopping the 4 minute offense, isn't the best match up in my opinion. Teams will just load up on the run and stuff Kyle's 4 minute offense. Not too sure then can do that anymore with Trey's arm and the bigger backs and guards he has now.

Originally posted by thl408:
Since Ryans has been named DC, the 49ers have drafted Ambry Thomas on day 2 (man CB), signed CWard (man CB). There was talk in the 2021 offseason about the CBs playing with more aggression at the line.
Then the revolving door at CB happened (injuries), and Ryans had to adjust accordingly. The 2021 defense behaved a lot like the Saleh defense in that it was very zone dominant. In that sense, we didn't see the aggression at the line of scrimmage that was talked about during that offseason.

(pay to read, but the article's preview has interesting stats)
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-demeco-ryan-scheme-has-san-francisco-49ers-defense-playing-at-high-level-without-high-level-cbs-seth-galina-feature
With Emmanuel Moseley and Ambry Thomas on the outside, the 49ers cannot play man coverage. The 49ers utilized Cover 1 on only 18.7% of the team's defensive snaps during the regular season (22nd) and just 14.7% during the playoffs.
The 49ers didn't use man coverage a ton even under former defensive coordinator Robert Saleh, but it has come to a screeching halt over the back half of this season (2021). San Francisco cannot just "man up" receiving threats and let its pass rush go to work.
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Another offseason has passed and the 49ers went out and got a proven player to help evolve Ryans' scheme in CWard. Let's see if the 2021 talk about being more aggressive with man coverage becomes reality.

I'm very interested in this. I don't think we even need to do this the majority of the time, it seems we now have a mixture of man/zone specialists.

It would certainly be nice to be able to mix in some more aggressive man coverage at times though.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by thl408:
Since Ryans has been named DC, the 49ers have drafted Ambry Thomas on day 2 (man CB), signed CWard (man CB). There was talk in the 2021 offseason about the CBs playing with more aggression at the line.
Then the revolving door at CB happened (injuries), and Ryans had to adjust accordingly. The 2021 defense behaved a lot like the Saleh defense in that it was very zone dominant. In that sense, we didn't see the aggression at the line of scrimmage that was talked about during that offseason.

(pay to read, but the article's preview has interesting stats)
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-demeco-ryan-scheme-has-san-francisco-49ers-defense-playing-at-high-level-without-high-level-cbs-seth-galina-feature
With Emmanuel Moseley and Ambry Thomas on the outside, the 49ers cannot play man coverage. The 49ers utilized Cover 1 on only 18.7% of the team's defensive snaps during the regular season (22nd) and just 14.7% during the playoffs.
The 49ers didn't use man coverage a ton even under former defensive coordinator Robert Saleh, but it has come to a screeching halt over the back half of this season (2021). San Francisco cannot just "man up" receiving threats and let its pass rush go to work.
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Another offseason has passed and the 49ers went out and got a proven player to help evolve Ryans' scheme in CWard. Let's see if the 2021 talk about being more aggressive with man coverage becomes reality.

I'm very interested in this. I don't think we even need to do this the majority of the time, it seems we now have a mixture of man/zone specialists.

It would certainly be nice to be able to mix in some more aggressive man coverage at times though.

It remains to be seen how Ryans envisions his defense, and where he is going to take it from a coverage standpoint. This tweet is from the 2021 offseason season:
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an interview from the 2021 offseason hinting at different gameplans per week. This might seem obvious but some defenses stay with what they do best week to week while others will mix it up accordingly to best defend the opposing offense.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/148590-transcript-demeco-ryans-talks-warners-kentavius-street-kinlaw/
"Whatever we need to do defensively to win a game, that'll go with our weekly defensive scheme..."..."our game plan will vary and we'll do whatever we need to do that particular week to get the win."

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I think that being able to man up in certain situations, and do it effectively, should be the desired goal. But I do believe that with a good 4 man pass rush, the foundation should remain playing zone while leaning on the pass rush. It's a tried and true strategy that John Lynch won with as a player in his Bucs days.

Originally posted by FL9er:
This might be his last year here, I look forward to seeing how the defense performs.

Yup, and I'm also looking forward to the two additional 3rd round compensatory draft picks if a team hires him away.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, and I'm also looking forward to the two additional 3rd round compensatory draft picks if a team hires him away.

Wouldn't those compensatory picks be In 2024 though?. Seems like a long wait for that. I'd be more Interested In who we'd replace him with should he become a head coach In 2023. Maybe we'll see the return of Saleh?

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, and I'm also looking forward to the two additional 3rd round compensatory draft picks if a team hires him away.

Wouldn't those compensatory picks be In 2024 though?. Seems like a long wait for that. I'd be more Interested In who we'd replace him with should he become a head coach In 2023. Maybe we'll see the return of Saleh?

Agree to a certain point. Defensive coaches depends on more talent than scheme. Demeco wouldn't be a wanted man if he didn't have Bosa. Don't get me wrong, Scheme is still important, but as long as Kyle gives the DLine coach number one pick after number one pick, that Defensive Coordinator will be always a wanted man. Between Saleh and a new DC, I'd go with a new DC, so long as Kyle vouches for him. Fangio is an intriguing choice, but he has his issues too.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by FL9er:
This might be his last year here, I look forward to seeing how the defense performs.

Yup, and I'm also looking forward to the two additional 3rd round compensatory draft picks if a team hires him away.

Fangio will be back home soon. And we'll carry 8 DL and the starters will all play 900+ snaps again. LOL

Ryan's is gonna coach the lions next year.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Ryan's is gonna coach the lions next year.

Panthers.

And guess who his QB will be?

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Ryan's is gonna coach the lions next year.

I get that these jobs are hard to come by, but there are some I['d legit say know to IF I were a hot coaching candidate and my current job had me set up to be a hot candidate for years to come.

If they end up firing Campbell, not only did they make an obviously bad choice, but who in their organization is capable of getting it right? At a certain point, franchise outta be selling themselves to the coaching prospect- similar to what we had to do with Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by FL9er:
This might be his last year here, I look forward to seeing how the defense performs.

Yup, and I'm also looking forward to the two additional 3rd round compensatory draft picks if a team hires him away.

Fangio will be back home soon. And we'll carry 8 DL and the starters will all play 900+ snaps again. LOL

I don't have anything bad to say about Fangio, and if he is our DC, I wouldn't mind. But I'd want somebody young and willing to be 2nd fiddle to Kocurek on the defensive side. I think Fangio would want to (possibly) change the D-Line scheme Kocurek implements, if he becomes DC here.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, and I'm also looking forward to the two additional 3rd round compensatory draft picks if a team hires him away.

Wouldn't those compensatory picks be In 2024 though?. Seems like a long wait for that. I'd be more Interested In who we'd replace him with should he become a head coach In 2023. Maybe we'll see the return of Saleh?

Is it 2 3rd rounders?

Well two third rounders in the future is always welcome, we will also have 1rst rounder again, but I think it will be spread out over 2 years.

I think they might bring back our old D coordinator Fangio.