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Jun 18, 2021 at 1:45 PM
Originally posted by frenchmov:
I never want to see that f**king prevent on 3rd & 15 where we have all our secondary waiting at the sticks to allow the inevitable 14 yard gain and opponent makes an easy 4th & 1 decision

What if there's 0:01 left in the game and it's 3rd & 15 but we're up by 4?
Jun 18, 2021 at 1:52 PM
  • thl408
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
I never want to see that f**king prevent on 3rd & 15 where we have all our secondary waiting at the sticks to allow the inevitable 14 yard gain and opponent makes an easy 4th & 1 decision

What if there's 0:01 left in the game and it's 3rd & 15 but we're up by 4?

Zero blitz. because yolo
Jun 18, 2021 at 5:30 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
I keep bringing up the James Bettcher hire because you don't hire a guy like that unless you want some intricate pressure schemes. These two write ups are a nice read and ties in what Bettcher may be adding. It's nothing the 49ers didn't do in the past few seasons, or that other teams don't do, just perhaps more methods of doing it.

This write up describes "creeper" pressures. TLDR: It's a four man rush disguised to look like a blitz by dropping a typical pass rusher into coverage and bringing a coverage player on the pass rush.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/08/getting-home-nfl-blitz-creeper

Here's Bettcher doing it in ARI.
https://www.cover1.net/james-bettcher-new-york-giants/
"The first stark difference that Bettcher will bring to the table is the position from which his rushers originate. Just a reminder: the Cardinals last year blitzed DBs at a rate 6th highest in the league."
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Check the final play of this clip @0:33 (Bettcher ARI defense): [blocked URL]
SEA calls All Curls, thinking they are about to see Cover3 so the four curls will stretch one of the four underneath zone defenders. Instead, it's Cover2 (5 underneath zone defenders) no one is stretched, and a RB is forced to stay in for blitz pickup, but it's not a blitz it's still a four man rush - only four routes are run. This was a pure win on the playcall. Rookie Saleh had Jason Tarver as the former DC to lean on, Ryans has Bettcher.

I love the concept as a special tool in the toolbox. I can see some quality sacks/pressures coming from it. However, I can also see heads exploding when the dropping front-line player gets beat by the receiver he is covering in a critical down situation. Happens every time.
Jul 22, 2021 at 3:59 AM
Jul 22, 2021 at 12:04 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
I keep bringing up the James Bettcher hire because you don't hire a guy like that unless you want some intricate pressure schemes. These two write ups are a nice read and ties in what Bettcher may be adding. It's nothing the 49ers didn't do in the past few seasons, or that other teams don't do, just perhaps more methods of doing it.

This write up describes "creeper" pressures. TLDR: It's a four man rush disguised to look like a blitz by dropping a typical pass rusher into coverage and bringing a coverage player on the pass rush.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/08/getting-home-nfl-blitz-creeper

Here's Bettcher doing it in ARI.
https://www.cover1.net/james-bettcher-new-york-giants/
"The first stark difference that Bettcher will bring to the table is the position from which his rushers originate. Just a reminder: the Cardinals last year blitzed DBs at a rate 6th highest in the league."
------------------------
Check the final play of this clip @0:33 (Bettcher ARI defense): [blocked URL]
SEA calls All Curls, thinking they are about to see Cover3 so the four curls will stretch one of the four underneath zone defenders. Instead, it's Cover2 (5 underneath zone defenders) no one is stretched, and a RB is forced to stay in for blitz pickup, but it's not a blitz it's still a four man rush - only four routes are run. This was a pure win on the playcall. Rookie Saleh had Jason Tarver as the former DC to lean on, Ryans has Bettcher.

Appreciate you for s**t like this. Thanks
Jul 23, 2021 at 4:50 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
I keep bringing up the James Bettcher hire because you don't hire a guy like that unless you want some intricate pressure schemes. These two write ups are a nice read and ties in what Bettcher may be adding. It's nothing the 49ers didn't do in the past few seasons, or that other teams don't do, just perhaps more methods of doing it.

This write up describes "creeper" pressures. TLDR: It's a four man rush disguised to look like a blitz by dropping a typical pass rusher into coverage and bringing a coverage player on the pass rush.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/08/getting-home-nfl-blitz-creeper

Here's Bettcher doing it in ARI.
https://www.cover1.net/james-bettcher-new-york-giants/
"The first stark difference that Bettcher will bring to the table is the position from which his rushers originate. Just a reminder: the Cardinals last year blitzed DBs at a rate 6th highest in the league."
------------------------
Check the final play of this clip @0:33 (Bettcher ARI defense): [blocked URL]
SEA calls All Curls, thinking they are about to see Cover3 so the four curls will stretch one of the four underneath zone defenders. Instead, it's Cover2 (5 underneath zone defenders) no one is stretched, and a RB is forced to stay in for blitz pickup, but it's not a blitz it's still a four man rush - only four routes are run. This was a pure win on the playcall. Rookie Saleh had Jason Tarver as the former DC to lean on, Ryans has Bettcher.

Sounds a lot like Dick LeBeau's zone blitz scheme.

Ive often wanted the Niners to have such a scheme. Pressure is king. Never liked Salehs tendency to play the same coverage and let his players win out. I was thrilled when that one DB coach implemented pattern matching, sucks we lost that coach.

the two biggest reasons our team will dominate this year is Bosa and Ryans. I'm thinking we play even faster this year.
[ Edited by Big_Daddy on Jul 23, 2021 at 4:51 PM ]
Jul 24, 2021 at 5:35 AM
I have a strong suspicion Fred Warner is going to be set free this year to rush the passer. We saw wrinkles last year where if his box was covered he'd come flying in to the rush the passer at will and made big plays. This year, I think Ryans has even more plans for him and they may be at the snap vs. read and then go.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 24, 2021 at 5:35 AM ]
Jul 24, 2021 at 5:56 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:

So excited to see a more aggressive defense this season
Jul 24, 2021 at 6:10 AM
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by NCommand:

So excited to see a more aggressive defense this season

Jul 24, 2021 at 8:25 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:

AIN'T a party til something breaks !!

NUFF TALK !!! LETS GO NINERSSSS !!!
Jul 26, 2021 at 2:04 AM
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by NCommand:

So excited to see a more aggressive defense this season

As long as our CBs don't play 10yds back every down I'm happy
Jul 26, 2021 at 3:30 AM
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by NCommand:

So excited to see a more aggressive defense this season

As long as our CBs don't play 10yds back every down I'm happy

And as long as our CBs look back for the ball when in coverage, I'll be happy too.
Jul 26, 2021 at 4:21 AM
If you like a more aggressive defense be prepared for teams to hit a ton of explosives on our D. Saleh hated explosives so much that he was super conservative.
Jul 26, 2021 at 7:16 AM
I haven't been a fan of complicated blitzing schemes. That usually screams that the defense isn't talented enough and can get caught for big plays.

NE/SEA defensive method has stood strong for a very long time and that is to keep the ball in front and tackle down hill. This is why SEA loves talent at SS to use for the everywhere position.
Jul 26, 2021 at 8:07 AM
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
If you like a more aggressive defense be prepared for teams to hit a ton of explosives on our D. Saleh hated explosives so much that he was super conservative.

Facts.
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