DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
Excited to watch Demeco run this defense. Having James Betcher as his assistant/consultant is big IMO. Having a veteran DC like that by your side will help him early on especially. I really feel with DeMeco's background and great personality, he will be a HC within 3 years.

I am very excited for this defense & hope that we will be much more aggressive more often! Good luck Demeco

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
Excited to watch Demeco run this defense. Having James Betcher as his assistant/consultant is big IMO. Having a veteran DC like that by your side will help him early on especially. I really feel with DeMeco's background and great personality, he will be a HC within 3 years.

I am very excited for this defense & hope that we will be much more aggressive more often! Good luck Demeco

MECO !! MECO !! MECO !!!

Do yo' thanggggg !!!!

Likely to be a bit choppy for a few games.

Meco is like any other human - may take a minute to get that "feel" for the players + scheme + game time situational football.

Ultimately i think he will be excellent.

It's strange to hear on NFLN that we will go backwards, having lost our former DC to HC at Jets. I really liked Saleh as a DC, but like kyle jokingly said, "He's conservative". While KYle was kidding around, that was true. Somehow, i just have the feeling with Demeco, we are going to be BETTER at DC than we were last yr. He sounds to be more aggressive , which was one of the things i didn't care for last yr on D. Yes we blitzed, but it usually was on 3rd and long. Demeco sounds like he is planning more interesting blitzing than we had with Bob.

Rather than going backwards with Demeco, i think we jump forwards. Stiil haven't seen one ball snapped in anger, but we definitely will have by this time next week. I look for our D and our DC to be better…not worse. One thing for sure. When you have 12 potential starters on DL, something good has got to come out of that.

We got two ACES at LB, and a 3rd good one, plus we could have some extraordinary new talent thru draft with our DBs.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
It's strange to hear on NFLN that we will go backwards, having lost our former DC to HC at Jets. I really liked Saleh as a DC, but like kyle jokingly said, "He's conservative". While KYle was kidding around, that was true. Somehow, i just have the feeling with Demeco, we are going to be BETTER at DC than we were last yr. He sounds to be more aggressive , which was one of the things i didn't care for last yr on D. Yes we blitzed, but it usually was on 3rd and long. Demeco sounds like he is planning more interesting blitzing than we had with Bob.

Rather than going backwards with Demeco, i think we jump forwards. Stiil haven't seen one ball snapped in anger, but we definitely will have by this time next week. I look for our D and our DC to be better…not worse. One thing for sure. When you have 12 potential starters on DL, something good has got to come out of that.

We got two ACES at LB, and a 3rd good one, plus we could have some extraordinary new talent thru draft with our DBs.

Not really funny. If Saleh is viewed as a good/great DC, then its natural for folks to think the defense might take a step back with a rookie DC replacing him. Honestly if the samething happened with the Cardinals we all would be assuming they woild take a step back.

Great drill! Do it incessantly! Bosa looks smooth; it's deceptive how fast he really can be:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/1434944935061377024

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice article on the rise of two high safety coverages and the success it is finding. The NFL truly is cyclical. The early 2000s saw Tampa2 (two high safeties) and a bunch of disciples from that scheme spread around the league. Then in the 2010's it was the "Seattle Cover3" and the rise of single high safety schemes. With the rise of spread offenses, we see the return of two high safety coverages, but this time with more Quarters (compared to Cover2/Tampa2 in the early 2000s).

TLDR: The article discusses the rise of two high coverages but also the defensive fronts being used so that run defense isn't compromised from having 7 in the box (2 high safeties).
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/two-high-shell-staley-fangio-nfl-defense-2021/#
As the wide-zone offense spreads throughout the league under multiple McVay and Kyle Shanahan assistant coaches, having a defense built to have assets to stop the pass and hold up structurally against the run is more than necessary.

I find this almost hilarious considering that last year in the QB thread I was arguing that our passing and run game were more horizontal leading to teams needing to try and run 2 safety defenses while also trying to defend the run, primarily, and was told that wasn't how Kyle wanted things. That we had to throw it deep more to make this happen.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice article on the rise of two high safety coverages and the success it is finding. The NFL truly is cyclical. The early 2000s saw Tampa2 (two high safeties) and a bunch of disciples from that scheme spread around the league. Then in the 2010's it was the "Seattle Cover3" and the rise of single high safety schemes. With the rise of spread offenses, we see the return of two high safety coverages, but this time with more Quarters (compared to Cover2/Tampa2 in the early 2000s).

TLDR: The article discusses the rise of two high coverages but also the defensive fronts being used so that run defense isn't compromised from having 7 in the box (2 high safeties).
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/two-high-shell-staley-fangio-nfl-defense-2021/#
As the wide-zone offense spreads throughout the league under multiple McVay and Kyle Shanahan assistant coaches, having a defense built to have assets to stop the pass and hold up structurally against the run is more than necessary.

I find this almost hilarious considering that last year in the QB thread I was arguing that our passing and run game were more horizontal leading to teams needing to try and run 2 safety defenses while also trying to defend the run, primarily, and was told that wasn't how Kyle wanted things. That we had to throw it deep more to make this happen.

The really interesting part of that article is the concept of playing 'gap and a half'. Brandon Staley says it's not as much 'read and react' as typical two gap systems. Staley/Fangio do it out of five man fronts and that isn't something the 49ers will be doing anytime soon since they are married to the four man front wide9 system. This gap and half concept looks to clog things up in the run game, and wait for reinforcements to arrive.

As for two high defenses making a comeback, it's to combat all the spread looks and the 3x1 formations that are seen so often nowadays. Defenses want to play zone match principles and that's harder to do when playing single high. What is required out of safeties will see a change regarding playing man coverage when far away from the line of scrimmage, but they also need to be physical enough to come up in run support from safety depth since there's 7 in the box.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice article on the rise of two high safety coverages and the success it is finding. The NFL truly is cyclical. The early 2000s saw Tampa2 (two high safeties) and a bunch of disciples from that scheme spread around the league. Then in the 2010's it was the "Seattle Cover3" and the rise of single high safety schemes. With the rise of spread offenses, we see the return of two high safety coverages, but this time with more Quarters (compared to Cover2/Tampa2 in the early 2000s).

TLDR: The article discusses the rise of two high coverages but also the defensive fronts being used so that run defense isn't compromised from having 7 in the box (2 high safeties).
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/two-high-shell-staley-fangio-nfl-defense-2021/#
As the wide-zone offense spreads throughout the league under multiple McVay and Kyle Shanahan assistant coaches, having a defense built to have assets to stop the pass and hold up structurally against the run is more than necessary.

I find this almost hilarious considering that last year in the QB thread I was arguing that our passing and run game were more horizontal leading to teams needing to try and run 2 safety defenses while also trying to defend the run, primarily, and was told that wasn't how Kyle wanted things. That we had to throw it deep more to make this happen.

The really interesting part of that article is the concept of playing 'gap and a half'. Brandon Staley says it's not as much 'read and react' as typical two gap systems. Staley/Fangio do it out of five man fronts and that isn't something the 49ers will be doing anytime soon since they are married to the four man front wide9 system. This gap and half concept looks to clog things up in the run game, and wait for reinforcements to arrive.

As for two high defenses making a comeback, it's to combat all the spread looks and the 3x1 formations that are seen so often nowadays. Defenses want to play zone match principles and that's harder to do when playing single high. What is required out of safeties will see a change regarding playing man coverage when far away from the line of scrimmage, but they also need to be physical enough to come up in run support from safety depth since there's 7 in the box.

I think it also has to do with having flexibility in the 8th element in the box. With the wide zone it's all about who you leave unblocked and either running away from the 8th element or misdirecting the 8th element. In any case, the wide zone will always look to exploit where the 8th can't be. In a 2 deep shell, you give yourself the flexibility to present an 8th element to either side. Think of the it like the defensive equivalent of a FB vs a TE. The FB gives you more options for your blocking schemes.

That and traditional single high formations that bring an 8th element in make you susceptible to the horizontal passing game. Kyle wants to pass short on you in C3 and run on you in C2. This says, we're going to try and clog you up in C2 and stop your horizontal passing game.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice article on the rise of two high safety coverages and the success it is finding. The NFL truly is cyclical. The early 2000s saw Tampa2 (two high safeties) and a bunch of disciples from that scheme spread around the league. Then in the 2010's it was the "Seattle Cover3" and the rise of single high safety schemes. With the rise of spread offenses, we see the return of two high safety coverages, but this time with more Quarters (compared to Cover2/Tampa2 in the early 2000s).

TLDR: The article discusses the rise of two high coverages but also the defensive fronts being used so that run defense isn't compromised from having 7 in the box (2 high safeties).
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/two-high-shell-staley-fangio-nfl-defense-2021/#
As the wide-zone offense spreads throughout the league under multiple McVay and Kyle Shanahan assistant coaches, having a defense built to have assets to stop the pass and hold up structurally against the run is more than necessary.

I find this almost hilarious considering that last year in the QB thread I was arguing that our passing and run game were more horizontal leading to teams needing to try and run 2 safety defenses while also trying to defend the run, primarily, and was told that wasn't how Kyle wanted things. That we had to throw it deep more to make this happen.

The really interesting part of that article is the concept of playing 'gap and a half'. Brandon Staley says it's not as much 'read and react' as typical two gap systems. Staley/Fangio do it out of five man fronts and that isn't something the 49ers will be doing anytime soon since they are married to the four man front wide9 system. This gap and half concept looks to clog things up in the run game, and wait for reinforcements to arrive.

As for two high defenses making a comeback, it's to combat all the spread looks and the 3x1 formations that are seen so often nowadays. Defenses want to play zone match principles and that's harder to do when playing single high. What is required out of safeties will see a change regarding playing man coverage when far away from the line of scrimmage, but they also need to be physical enough to come up in run support from safety depth since there's 7 in the box.

I think it also has to do with having flexibility in the 8th element in the box. With the wide zone it's all about who you leave unblocked and either running away from the 8th element or misdirecting the 8th element. In any case, the wide zone will always look to exploit where the 8th can't be. In a 2 deep shell, you give yourself the flexibility to present an 8th element to either side. Think of the it like the defensive equivalent of a FB vs a TE. The FB gives you more options for your blocking schemes.

That and traditional single high formations that bring an 8th element in make you susceptible to the horizontal passing game. Kyle wants to pass short on you in C3 and run on you in C2. This says, we're going to try and clog you up in C2 and stop your horizontal passing game.

I agree with the bolded as a general rule of what he wants to do. Good analogy of Quarters safeties being similar to a fullback, how they can fit to either side of the offensive formation.

I think we should be more specific when saying "two deep safeties", because we aren't talking about Cover2, we are talking about Quarters where the safeties do not have as much depth compared to Cover2 safeties. Quarters safeties are the ones that have a run fit, Cover2 safeties are not part of any run fit. I believe it was Matt Maiocco that said Kyle was the one that wanted Saleh to move away from the "Seattle Cover3" and start using more split safety looks. That year, the talk in the offseason was that the 49er safeties would be interchangable and no longer designated as 'free safety' and 'strong safety'.

Originally posted by Spartan:
Great drill! Do it incessantly! Bosa looks smooth; it's deceptive how fast he really can be:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/1434944935061377024

Honestly thought Ebukam did the drill the smoothest.

He will be the achilles hill of our defense. Lots of talent at hand, but can he make it work and motivate them like how Saleh did.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
It's strange to hear on NFLN that we will go backwards, having lost our former DC to HC at Jets. I really liked Saleh as a DC, but like kyle jokingly said, "He's conservative". While KYle was kidding around, that was true. Somehow, i just have the feeling with Demeco, we are going to be BETTER at DC than we were last yr. He sounds to be more aggressive , which was one of the things i didn't care for last yr on D. Yes we blitzed, but it usually was on 3rd and long. Demeco sounds like he is planning more interesting blitzing than we had with Bob.

Rather than going backwards with Demeco, i think we jump forwards. Stiil haven't seen one ball snapped in anger, but we definitely will have by this time next week. I look for our D and our DC to be better…not worse. One thing for sure. When you have 12 potential starters on DL, something good has got to come out of that.

We got two ACES at LB, and a 3rd good one, plus we could have some extraordinary new talent thru draft with our DBs.

It was a rough start for Saleh. I recall him getting called out his first season and even the second. Situational and not making in game adjustments or in the second half etc. To his credit we drafted more weapons and he improved with adjustments etc. Most folks weren't enamored with him until the the last season when the defense still did great with all the injuries. Also it's obvious the players love and respect him.
I can see us having some growing pains with Ryans similar to Saleh, but as you said having a former DC assist you is invaluable as well.

SWARM tactics.

"DeMeco came up with his own slogan—S.W.A.R.M.," Warner said.
The word is an acronym, of course. "Swarm" seems to describe San Francisco's speedy and talented defense perfectly.
"Special work ethic and relentless mindset," Warner continued. "That's been his thing for our defense, and we'll probably just roll with that."

I'm curious to see what concepts Ryan will deploy.