DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TreysLeftArm:
I didn't get to watch today's game. I'm curious as to why the defense was gashed up the middle early and often. Det was moving the ball on the ground until they were forced to pass more by our offense.

No, everything was great. The defense played perfect. The refs were at fault for not calling holding. The defense got 3 sacks. They played great! Nothing to worry about.

Never seen you so positive! Go 9ers

So the final score doesn't tell the whole story. We were up 41 - 17 with 2 min to go. There were a series of a freak events that led to the Lions almost having a comeback on us, in addition to us pulling the starters after the Verrett injury. That said we do have some major concerns regarding key injuries in the secondary and interior D-Line. D Ryans is going to have his work cut out for him this season.

Lots of overreactions in here, IMO. The defense didn't play amazing, but I dont know why so many are focused on the final score.

We were up 41-17 with less than 6 minutes left in the game. Then our defense makes the Lions spend almost 4 of the roughly 6 minutes remaining in the game to score one touchdown to cut the lead to 16. Would everyone prefer the defense to not let them score here? Sure. But using up most of the clock while up 24 points is exactly what they are supposed to do.

Then they got this flukey onside kick. I dont care about the final score. The defense played good enough today that the overreactions are beyond unnecessary.

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

Without seeing the end zone view, I think I saw a combination of Street Kerr and Greenlaw that each had plays where they either got moved way out of their gap, or got out of position (Greenlaw) and it led to a big run for DET.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

So without Kinlaw they should scrap their whole defensive line philosophy?

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

So without Kinlaw they should scrap their whole defensive line philosophy?

Wow, my reading is clearly not what it used to be. I didn't see any mention of abandoning anything. He simply said we missed a starter that is a known run stopper because we were being run on. What the hell else have I missed in what they said?

Meh, run defense isn't a big deal unless a team can pass big off it. We give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry annually. It never has an effect on the game. This was no different.

The one difference I saw was Givens and Street blowing up field in 1 gap but often times right by the RB. The result is a big play or a big gain if those LB's aren't there.

These are inexperienced player coaching points.

Not concerned here mostly because teams don't run anymore.

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

So without Kinlaw they should scrap their whole defensive line philosophy?

Wow, my reading is clearly not what it used to be. I didn't see any mention of abandoning anything. He simply said we missed a starter that is a known run stopper because we were being run on. What the hell else have I missed in what they said?

It sure isn't

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

So without Kinlaw they should scrap their whole defensive line philosophy?

My goodness, I said nothing about abandoning an entire philosophy.

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by TreysLeftArm:
I didn't get to watch today's game. I'm curious as to why the defense was gashed up the middle early and often. Det was moving the ball on the ground until they were forced to pass more by our offense.

No kinlaw for starters, our dline doesn't have those kind of big bodies.

But then we started crashing from the edges

I was told DTs are a dime a dozen though

Not a good performance from the D, week 1... D-line looked pretty bad at times, receivers had too much space.... Week 1 rust?. Maybe, we'll see how, Demeco and his D responds for next week.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

So without Kinlaw they should scrap their whole defensive line philosophy?

My goodness, I said nothing about abandoning an entire philosophy.

you say they can't run the wide 9 without Kinlaw. The wide 9 is Kourcek's d line philosophy. Sounds like you are implying that DR should not run wide 9 without Kinlaw. thus changing the d line philosophy without Kinlaw. That's why I asked you the question to figure out exactly what you meant

Originally posted by NCommand:
Meh, run defense isn't a big deal unless a team can pass big off it. We give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry annually. It never has an effect on the game. This was no different.

The one difference I saw was Givens and Street blowing up field in 1 gap but often times right by the RB. The result is a big play or a big gain if those LB's aren't there.

These are inexperienced player coaching points.

Not concerned here mostly because teams don't run anymore.

Yeah that's not true if you look at last yrs playoff teams for the most part. Most of those teams were around top 10 rushing and the teams that weren't were TB (who actually ran the pay very well in the playoffs), KC (who spent a 1st on a RB), and the Bills who just has a elite QB like KC.

teams that win over the long-term, run the ball efficiently.