DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Meh, run defense isn't a big deal unless a team can pass big off it. We give up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry annually. It never has an effect on the game. This was no different.

The one difference I saw was Givens and Street blowing up field in 1 gap but often times right by the RB. The result is a big play or a big gain if those LB's aren't there.

These are inexperienced player coaching points.

Not concerned here mostly because teams don't run anymore.

Yeah that's not true if you look at last yrs playoff teams for the most part. Most of those teams were around top 10 rushing and the teams that weren't were TB (who actually ran the pay very well in the playoffs), KC (who spent a 1st on a RB), and the Bills who just has a elite QB like KC.

teams that win over the long-term, run the ball efficiently.

Right.... It seems like teams are trying to establish the ground game, especially against teams who struggle to defend It.... smart teams will always find a way to expose a teams weakness, and right now, our weakness Is the middle of the D-line.

Yea it's a ton of teams that run a lot. you cant' be that soft up the middle and except to compete with the big boys unless you offense is just that great.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Antix:
Gonna be rough defensively until things hopefully get under control. Rookie DC and now our corners are backups. Hopefully Demo is a 5th round gem. Other than that our pass rush has to really get good if we don't wanna be in shootouts every week. And fix that inside run defense too.

Our Wide 9s were REALLY wide and Detroit took full advantage of that for two series. After that Demeco brot them in some…it looked like our DTs were lining up on the OUTSIDE shoulder of the OTs, and they immediately took advantage of it. Once our DTs moved in a bit, that krapt stopped.

Did we miss Kin? Yup.

Facts!!!

This is why they were able to run on us - and run right at us - with such ease. If Kinlaw isn't in the game we cannot run our wide 9 packages, and we definitely should not be running it on run downs like I saw many times yesterday. Ryans have to get better there. But I think overall Ryans called a decent game. I wanted to see his in-game adjustments, and I think he did pretty well there for a rookie DC.

So without Kinlaw they should scrap their whole defensive line philosophy?

My goodness, I said nothing about abandoning an entire philosophy.

you say they can't run the wide 9 without Kinlaw. The wide 9 is Kourcek's d line philosophy. Sounds like you are implying that DR should not run wide 9 without Kinlaw. thus changing the d line philosophy without Kinlaw. That's why I asked you the question to figure out exactly what you meant

No, he's meaning the who line was wider than normal. Wide 9 will entail 2, 9 techs and then usually a 1 or 2i tech on the weakside and a 3 tech on the strong side. He's saying it was like 9-5-5-9 instead of 9-3-1-9. That means we were leaving G-C-G uncovered.

The film won't be available for at least a couple more days so we'll have to see what happened there.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, he's meaning the who line was wider than normal. Wide 9 will entail 2, 9 techs and then usually a 1 or 2i tech on the weakside and a 3 tech on the strong side. He's saying it was like 9-5-5-9 instead of 9-3-1-9. That means we were leaving G-C-G uncovered.

The film won't be available for at least a couple more days so we'll have to see what happened there.

They only did that on money downs. They were in their base alignment (9-2-3-9) on base downs.

Zach Kerr played like s**t; Greenlaw wasn't very good against the run(he was great in pass defense); Givens has never been good against the run.

I give Kerr a pass because this is the first time playing in this scheme, and the way they are taught to defend runs revolves around a process of elimination(ie focus on the inside stuff).

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea it's a ton of teams that run a lot. you cant' be that soft up the middle and except to compete with the big boys unless you offense is just that great.

Even then, I don't know any team that is just ok with being bad against the run. That's foundational to our defense so I'm sure they're going to get to work sorting that out. Sometimes it takes a little bit for things to come together. I remember when we went to face Seattle last year their defense had looked horrid during the first 7 or 8 games of the year and then we came in and they flipped a switch and their D ended the year the 15th ranked D.

Weeks 1-7(6 games because of a bye) they were giving up 369 passing yards per game and 110 rushing yards per game at 479 YPG. That pace would've put them squarely in last place in the NFL - and by a WIDE margin. over 16 games that's 7,672 yards given up. The lions gave up 6,716.

That just puts into perspective how bad the Seahawks defense was weeks 1-7.
Weeks 8-17, they gave up 292 YPG - which would've put them at the #2 defense in the NFL over 16 games.

Point is, the Seahawks D flipped a switch and went from worst to 2nd best literally in one week when they faced us. While we want to hit the panic button, I'm sure they'll get some things figured out as the season goes.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, he's meaning the who line was wider than normal. Wide 9 will entail 2, 9 techs and then usually a 1 or 2i tech on the weakside and a 3 tech on the strong side. He's saying it was like 9-5-5-9 instead of 9-3-1-9. That means we were leaving G-C-G uncovered.

The film won't be available for at least a couple more days so we'll have to see what happened there.

They only did that on money downs. They were in their base alignment (9-2-3-9) on base downs.

Zach Kerr played like s**t; Greenlaw wasn't very good against the run(he was great in pass defense); Givens has never been good against the run.

I give Kerr a pass because this is the first time playing in this scheme, and the way they are taught to defend runs revolves around a process of elimination(ie focus on the inside stuff).

Sure, I can't speak to when they did/didn't as I have looked at the film and it's not going to be available until near the end of the week. I'm wondering what's going on with D.J. Jones, I don't remember seeing much of him. He was always stout against the run.

We better damn well fix the run defense. even the most staunch fans have to say it was bad.. and then we will face three better quarterbacks in our division than what we did sunday in goff.... if the pass defense does not improve. we will not win the division and finish last . that is how i see it.. oh and i hope kyle learned to not pull starters to early.

I didn't focus on DJ too much, but I vividly remembered this play where DJ Jones defeats 2 OL but Al-Shaair gets caught peeking in the wrong gap instead of filling. LB play against the run was pretty putrid, tbh.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Even then, I don't know any team that is just ok with being bad against the run. That's foundational to our defense so I'm sure they're going to get to work sorting that out. Sometimes it takes a little bit for things to come together. I remember when we went to face Seattle last year their defense had looked horrid during the first 7 or 8 games of the year and then we came in and they flipped a switch and their D ended the year the 15th ranked D.

Weeks 1-7(6 games because of a bye) they were giving up 369 passing yards per game and 110 rushing yards per game at 479 YPG. That pace would've put them squarely in last place in the NFL - and by a WIDE margin. over 16 games that's 7,672 yards given up. The lions gave up 6,716.

That just puts into perspective how bad the Seahawks defense was weeks 1-7.
Weeks 8-17, they gave up 292 YPG - which would've put them at the #2 defense in the NFL over 16 games.

Point is, the Seahawks D flipped a switch and went from worst to 2nd best literally in one week when they faced us. While we want to hit the panic button, I'm sure they'll get some things figured out as the season goes.

Lot of their switch flipping was playing backup and bad qbs.

This guy better figure it out, he won't get a couple mulligan years like saleh did.

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Originally posted by jonnydel:
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DET 2nd, 2 pt conversion. @NFL is anyone going to get called for holding Bosa, ever, at any point? pic.twitter.com/Bt413n42iW

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 13, 2021

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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DET 2nd, 2 pt conversion. @NFL is anyone going to get called for holding Bosa, ever, at any point? pic.twitter.com/Bt413n42iW

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 13, 2021

I'm sure the coaches have sent some tape into the league office about the non calls for holding.

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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DET 2nd, 2 pt conversion. @NFL is anyone going to get called for holding Bosa, ever, at any point? pic.twitter.com/Bt413n42iW

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 13, 2021

I'm sure the coaches have sent some tape into the league office about the non calls for holding.

There's going to be a number of plays shown. It's just stupid.

Glad Ryans got his first game as DC under his belt. He'll get better and better. Adjustments will be made to hopefully cut down a lot on those gashing run plays up the middle. Hopefully, Kinlaw gets back soon and can help, but this DL has a lot of talent plus adjustments will be made. As it's said, "You gotta stop the run."

What I didn't like, and yes hindsight is 20-20, was it's late in the 3rd Qtr. and the Niners are up big, 38-10. Play it straight up, i.e., no blitzes, and make the Lions slowly move the ball down the field. Yet the Niners blitz and the Lions get the big play, 43-yard TD screen pass, which I get just happened to be the perfect call for that blitz. Just don't blitz in that situation and instead force the Lions to "slowly matriculate the ball down the field" while you're teeing off with the pass rush. Make them burn time and don't even chance it with a blitz in that particular situation that can give up a big play. That big play I felt was totally unnecessary and was the start of the Lions getting momentum going.

Again, it's 20-20 the day after but just my thoughts at the time watching it live (re-watching the game today).