DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by cciowa:
even pass first teams will try to run the ball against us,. they are not dumb. they have seen the tape... philly will come right out and try it.. whether its coaching. or the guys themselves.. we damn well better be better,,, this continues.. you can kiss a division title and playoffs goodbye

I expected growing pains on D. But yeah. Gotta stop the run or it's a death march.

we just got used to being so good there. so it was a shock sunday when we saw it go to hell

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by cciowa:
even pass first teams will try to run the ball against us,. they are not dumb. they have seen the tape... philly will come right out and try it.. whether its coaching. or the guys themselves.. we damn well better be better,,, this continues.. you can kiss a division title and playoffs goodbye

I expected growing pains on D. But yeah. Gotta stop the run or it's a death march.

we just got used to being so good there. so it was a shock sunday when we saw it go to hell

I believe it can be corrected as we certainly have a lot of talent up front. I think the defense will gel around mid season - praying it stays healthy. That may cost us a playoff run but at that point let's hope Trey is also progressing nicely as well etc.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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DET 2nd, 2 pt conversion. @NFL is anyone going to get called for holding Bosa, ever, at any point? pic.twitter.com/Bt413n42iW

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 13, 2021

I'm sure the coaches have sent some tape into the league office about the non calls for holding.

There's going to be a number of plays shown. It's just stupid.

OK , this is all well and good.. but please do not deny our run defense issues by blaming refs... we were our own worse enemy and if if makes you feel better by blaming the refs. fine.. but that is well denial and deflection.

Whoa, CC. The two can be mutually exclusive. Bosa being held on passing plays can still be 100% and our interior run D can also have issues.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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DET 2nd, 2 pt conversion. @NFL is anyone going to get called for holding Bosa, ever, at any point? pic.twitter.com/Bt413n42iW

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 13, 2021

I'm sure the coaches have sent some tape into the league office about the non calls for holding.

There's going to be a number of plays shown. It's just stupid.

OK , this is all well and good.. but please do not deny our run defense issues by blaming refs... we were our own worse enemy and if if makes you feel better by blaming the refs. fine.. but that is well denial and deflection.

Whoa, CC. The two can be mutually exclusive. Bosa being held on passing plays can still be 100% and our interior run D can also have issues.

its just people want to draw more attention to the holding cuz it makes them feel better that there is little wrong with our run defense. when in fact there are major issues with the run defense, refexcuses not withstanding. we all just hope and assume jacob k will be the answer.. whenever he plays.

So Shanny's quote about the defense just doing things better isn't a ringing endorsement of Ryans. So players were undisciplined or Ryans was asking players to do things they are not particularly good at. Either way it's an issue that involves the DC.

Originally posted by TreysLeftArm:
So Shanny's quote about the defense just doing things better isn't a ringing endorsement of Ryans. So players were undisciplined or Ryans was asking players to do things they are not particularly good at. Either way it's an issue that involves the DC.

Depends on how you see it. What Kyle said meant Kyle has no issue with Ryans' defensive scheme.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by TreysLeftArm:
So Shanny's quote about the defense just doing things better isn't a ringing endorsement of Ryans. So players were undisciplined or Ryans was asking players to do things they are not particularly good at. Either way it's an issue that involves the DC.

Depends on how you see it. What Kyle said meant Kyle has no issue with Ryans' defensive scheme.

I really hope the defense tightens things moving forward.

Originally posted by cciowa:
its just people want to draw more attention to the holding cuz it makes them feel better that there is little wrong with our run defense. when in fact there are major issues with the run defense, refexcuses not withstanding. we all just hope and assume jacob k will be the answer.. whenever he plays.

100% agree

Perhaps once Devonte Harris is healthy, they'll just release Kirkpatrick. Ravens fans liked him, and if he's any good, we'll need the help.

Moseley being out there helps, but he's not a star. We need at least a solid second guy out there. Demo gonna get a lot of XP early now..

Moseley, Norman (please channel your younger self), Lenoir, Kwaun, Harris... all big "ifs" but could actually be OK still if:

-They stay healthy
-Norman adjusts to the scheme quickly
-Lenoir learns from early mistakes

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Perhaps once Devonte Harris is healthy, they'll just release Kirkpatrick. Ravens fans liked him, and if he's any good, we'll need the help.

Moseley being out there helps, but he's not a star. We need at least a solid second guy out there. Demo gonna get a lot of XP early now..

They're not releasing Kirkpatrick, if anything it needs to be Johnson

I'll save my overreaction til when we consistently see poor run D week over week

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, he's meaning the who line was wider than normal. Wide 9 will entail 2, 9 techs and then usually a 1 or 2i tech on the weakside and a 3 tech on the strong side. He's saying it was like 9-5-5-9 instead of 9-3-1-9. That means we were leaving G-C-G uncovered.

The film won't be available for at least a couple more days so we'll have to see what happened there.

They only did that on money downs. They were in their base alignment (9-2-3-9) on base downs.

Zach Kerr played like s**t; Greenlaw wasn't very good against the run(he was great in pass defense); Givens has never been good against the run.

I give Kerr a pass because this is the first time playing in this scheme, and the way they are taught to defend runs revolves around a process of elimination(ie focus on the inside stuff).

Sure, I can't speak to when they did/didn't as I have looked at the film and it's not going to be available until near the end of the week. I'm wondering what's going on with D.J. Jones, I don't remember seeing much of him. He was always stout against the run.

JonnyDel, when you see that tape, see if we played the wide WIDE 9 in the first two series. It was the weirdest looking DL i have ever seen, and it looked like the G C G were just uncovered. Ergo, the first 8 or 9 plays blew thru holes where we weren't. I wish i could have measured the width but i think DJ Jones was set up outside the play and never even got near it the first two series.

Maybe the 3rd series (not sure which one, TBH), suddenly our line looked instead of like a. 9 5 5 9, it suddenly became a a 9 3 1 9 line. As i recall, it was about that time that the lions stopped running up the gut for 6 and 8 foot gashes. Was in a hotel at UCLA and far enough away i frequently barely saw the play.

but it sure seemed , even from 40 feet away on a small screen, the DL obviously changed how they reset their alignment. Then the rest of the game i don't recall that it looked like Detroit was just running roughshod over, under and thru us. I just recall that early in the first period, from the first snap on, and wondered, WTF is THAT? If that's what you see…or not, please make mention of it. Thx.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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DET 2nd, 2 pt conversion. @NFL is anyone going to get called for holding Bosa, ever, at any point? pic.twitter.com/Bt413n42iW

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 13, 2021

I'm sure the coaches have sent some tape into the league office about the non calls for holding.

There's going to be a number of plays shown. It's just stupid.

OK , this is all well and good.. but please do not deny our run defense issues by blaming refs... we were our own worse enemy and if if makes you feel better by blaming the refs. fine.. but that is well denial and deflection.

Whoa, CC. The two can be mutually exclusive. Bosa being held on passing plays can still be 100% and our interior run D can also have issues.

its just people want to draw more attention to the holding cuz it makes them feel better that there is little wrong with our run defense. when in fact there are major issues with the run defense, refexcuses not withstanding. we all just hope and assume jacob k will be the answer.. whenever he plays.

Yeach, there were definitely issues, in waiting on the film to see what they were, exactly. Knowing our history for the past 3 years, I doubt they persist. One thing we have been staunch on since Kyle has gotten here is stopping the run. I doubt it's allowed to continue.

It reminded me of the 1sr quarter against the Rams, 2019. They were gushing us and everyone got concerned but then nobody really gashes us again for a while.

Was a great game to be at. If our offense plays like that we'll hang with anyone. Pretty lethargic outside edge rush but our interior guys just kept getting pushed aside over and over. Not just a random missed assignment. Need Kinlaw!Bad!