Arden Key, DL

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh I can't imagine he's gonna cost much...if so he can go. Yeah the goal should be to find that other true edge across from Bosa. I'd rather draft that vs spend up for a vet plus fork over $20+M for Bosa.

CB/EDGE plus depth everywhere needs to be the priority this off season.

Landry

I'm still pretending we drafted him.

HA...win some lose some

I think Haason Reddick would look nice in red/gold too. I haven't done a deep dive into the draft this yr but we should have some cash to work with with Jimmy and Ford off the books.

Wanted the Niners to sign Haason Reddick last year in FA to pair with Bosa but now he's gonna be too expensive to sign after the year he's having and I don't think Carolina is letting him out the building.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

Right. Its weird it was never specified. What I do know is he has had knee problems since college.

I hope we can retain Arden. Like I said, I am not expecting much out of Kinlaw and Arden has proven he can play inside.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

Right. Its weird it was never specified. What I do know is he has had knee problems since college.

I hope we can retain Arden. Like I said, I am not expecting much out of Kinlaw and Arden has proven he can play inside.

Yup and I'd still like to draft another edge to develop behind Bosa and Key.

If we can get Kinlaw back to 100% this line will be special and deep.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

Yeah, for where Solomon was picked - I can see he was a bit of a wasted pick. Well, the Kinlaw Knee issue is possibly a 50/50 deal. So it's fifty fifty he'll recover - sort of like the Jason Verett/Richard Sherman kind of odds. There is a chance he'll never play again and there's a chance he can be as good or better like how Bosa rehabbed.

Once a player has a knee injury, I think ShanaLynch has to revalue them lower - simply because of the injury - until they earn a higher valuation by staying healthy. Knee injuries - like in mostert's case, you do lose something. You lose speed, agility, possibly even strength. You hope they come back (eventually) 100% but a lot of times (maybe upwards of 70% of the time) they never get back to 100%.

Originally posted by NCommand:
BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

ACL reconstruction is done for torn ACLs.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

ACL reconstruction is done for torn ACLs.

Definitely, hence the surgery. I just either didn't know what specifically the surgery was for or it hadn't been stated before what the real issue was that required surgery. Now I know.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

Right. Its weird it was never specified. What I do know is he has had knee problems since college.

I hope we can retain Arden. Like I said, I am not expecting much out of Kinlaw and Arden has proven he can play inside.

Yup and I'd still like to draft another edge to develop behind Bosa and Key.

If we can get Kinlaw back to 100% this line will be special and deep.

Agreed all around.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Definitely, hence the surgery. I just either didn't know what specifically the surgery was for or it hadn't been stated before what the real issue was that required surgery. Now I know.

Probably didn't want to say that they botched the initial surgery lol. Who knows. They vague description was a chronic change to the knee, So maybe it kept tearing.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I really hope we can figure out a way to keep him. He has been really good, and I am not counting on Kinlaw to do much of anything for us.

I think Arden will stay. I think he knows he fits Kocurek's system and with Jimmy traded away (hopefully for a Alex Smith kind of value) that frees up considerable cap space for Arden. He's no Dee Ford, but he's productive. Ebukam also has 4.5 sacks - which is his highest total as a career. I hope he gets a couple of sacks against his old team this Sunday.

I"m still hopeful for Kinlaw. Reminds me a bit of the Solomon Thomas situation - he had a slow start. But Solomon seems to be doing alright with the Las Vegas Raiders. We shall see. Too early to call Kinlaw a bust. Maybe next year when he's supposed to be healthy, and he's not, or isn't productive, then I think that's the time the word Bust can be used.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'm just not expecting anything from him. When you have ongoing knee issues, its hard to count on anything from the guy.

And for the record, Solomon Thomas isnt playing very well for the Raiders. He had a couple nice plays early in the season, but he has been horrible overall. I know people dont love PFF, but they have him rated as the lowest rated defensive tackle in all of football against the run (what people were claiming he was drafted for), and 124th out of 127th overall.

BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

Right. Its weird it was never specified. What I do know is he has had knee problems since college.

I hope we can retain Arden. Like I said, I am not expecting much out of Kinlaw and Arden has proven he can play inside.

Yup and I'd still like to draft another edge to develop behind Bosa and Key.

If we can get Kinlaw back to 100% this line will be special and deep.

Agreed all around.

With a 17 game season and COVID now being the norm there's never been a higher need for depth.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
BTW, I don't know if it's ever been confirmed about what the "knee issue" was for Kinlaw but on today's pod, Lombardi might have slipped and confirmed it was a partial ACL tear for Kinlaw on top of the other stuff.

ACL reconstruction is done for torn ACLs.

Definitely, hence the surgery. I just either didn't know what specifically the surgery was for or it hadn't been stated before what the real issue was that required surgery. Now I know.

I think it was first diagnosed as a bone bruise, but the pain never went away and once they did some exploratory knee drain stuff, they found the torn ligaments. Is guess the good news is that the tear wasn't so bad that it showed up on the MRI. Hope he comes back as good or better than before the injury.

Also hope this next offseason, they draft players without significant injury in the high money rounds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

From @gmfb Weekend: Pass rusher Arden Key came into the NFL with a lot of potential and is now capitalizing on it with the #49ers, who are thrilled with their bargain signing (though he won't be such a bargain as a free agent this coming offseason). pic.twitter.com/Ma36rkpRgI

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 8, 2022

He's definitely going to get paid. I wonder if he'll be a priority for us or not.